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Ricky Bobby

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I stopped in at the local MFA gas mart this evening & paid $2.94 per gallon. Location was Perryville, MO.

Dang it felt good!

It was E-85 of coarse.
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Originally Posted By: Ricky BobbyI stopped in at the local MFA gas mart this evening & paid $2.94 per gallon. Location was Perryville, MO.

Dang it felt good!

It was E-85 of coarse.
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Musta been a little heavy on the corn.
 
Originally Posted By: ARCOREYOriginally Posted By: Ricky BobbyI stopped in at the local MFA gas mart this evening & paid $2.94 per gallon. Location was Perryville, MO.

Dang it felt good!

It was E-85 of coarse.
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Musta been a little heavy on the corn.

85% Ethanol (yes heavy on the corn)...I used to have a `99 Ranger 3.0L and burned a tankfull of it; could not tell any difference in how it ran nor did I notice much if any change in MPG. I had to go out of my way to buy the E85 so I didn`t get to do any true MPG comparison.
My neighbor just bought a new F150 and he is running the E85 and going to see what the difference in MPG might be. E85 is running $3.19 Gal. around here, .50-.60 cents cheaper per Gal.
 
My 2007 Tahoe runs completely the same on E85 except when pulling or trailering something, then I do notice some difference in gas mileage.

What is there not to like? It burns cleaner and is a product of something produced right here on our own soil. It could cost the same as regular fuel & I'd still buy it. That's just my view, though.

We have a lot of gas stations around here that sell it, so I don't go out of my way just to purchase it. If we take trips, I do a quick search on the net & find out what stations offer it along our intended route. It doesn't always work out, but I try.

I'd imagine anyone with interest or direct ties to the oil companies don't care for the E85. It might take from their pockets some.
 
Originally Posted By: Ricky Bobby

What is there not to like? It burns cleaner and is a product of something produced right here on our own soil. It could cost the same as regular fuel & I'd still buy it. That's just my view, though.



+1 There are a few more stations that sell the E85 now compared to 13 years ago, but none of my current vehicles are designed for it..10-15% blend works fine though.
 
Just paid 3.42 gal diesel. First time in a long time the total came to less than a hundred to fill the tank. Much better but still too high!
 
What's not to like about E-85?

Well...

1.) It's cheaper at the pump to suck you into buying it, because you will not get as many miles per gallon out of ethanol as you will out of gas. At 85% concentration gas, without a load on the vehicle, the vehicle's computer may, and often does compensate in timing and air/fuel mixture, enough to keep your mileage up there. But the more ethanol you add, or the harder your engine works, the more your mileage is going to drop. It's a fact of burning alcohol.

2.) If you're not driving a Flex Fuel Vehicle, and haven't had all the necessary changes made to your vehicle to burn E-85, it will deteriorate seals and gaskets in your fuel system and cause major problems, in time. The seals and gaskets in a regular unleaded gas vehicle are not designed for E-85.

3.) It takes more than a gallon of carbon based fuel to produce a gallon of ethanol. You can't really offer comparison straight across the board however, because it requires just over a gallon of fuel to create a gallon of ethanol, while the ethanol is 30% less efficient. Therefore, it takes more like 1.4 gallons of carbon based fuel to produce enough ethanol to do the work of 1 gallon of gas. So while you are making a difference, it unfortunately is not exactly the impact you want to make. You're actually burning more fuel when you burn a gallon of ethanol, than you would burning a gallon of regular gas, and you're just supporting a farmer, and several government workers in the process.

4.) Your tax dollars are hard at work, building ethanol plants, paying farmers subsidies to grow corn, driving the price of feed corn up all over the US when you burn ethanol.

5.) Because ethanol production reduces the amount of corn for feed, and increases the price of feed, you see increased prices at the meat counter in your grocery store. You also see increased prices for meals in restaurants, and increased prices for meal tickets in schools. And, unfortunately, it doesn't end at the meat counter, it also affects the price of all dairy products.


That's at least 5 reasons not to burn it!
 
Originally Posted By: Rocky1What's not to like about E-85?

Well...

1.) It's cheaper at the pump to suck you into buying it, because you will not get as many miles per gallon out of ethanol as you will out of gas. At 85% concentration gas, without a load on the vehicle, the vehicle's computer may, and often does compensate in timing and air/fuel mixture, enough to keep your mileage up there. But the more ethanol you add, or the harder your engine works, the more your mileage is going to drop. It's a fact of burning alcohol.

2.) If you're not driving a Flex Fuel Vehicle, and haven't had all the necessary changes made to your vehicle to burn E-85, it will deteriorate seals and gaskets in your fuel system and cause major problems, in time. The seals and gaskets in a regular unleaded gas vehicle are not designed for E-85.

3.) It takes more than a gallon of carbon based fuel to produce a gallon of ethanol. You can't really offer comparison straight across the board however, because it requires just over a gallon of fuel to create a gallon of ethanol, while the ethanol is 30% less efficient. Therefore, it takes more like 1.4 gallons of carbon based fuel to produce enough ethanol to do the work of 1 gallon of gas. So while you are making a difference, it unfortunately is not exactly the impact you want to make. You're actually burning more fuel when you burn a gallon of ethanol, than you would burning a gallon of regular gas, and you're just supporting a farmer, and several government workers in the process.

4.) Your tax dollars are hard at work, building ethanol plants, paying farmers subsidies to grow corn, driving the price of feed corn up all over the US when you burn ethanol.

5.) Because ethanol production reduces the amount of corn for feed, and increases the price of feed, you see increased prices at the meat counter in your grocery store. You also see increased prices for meals in restaurants, and increased prices for meal tickets in schools. And, unfortunately, it doesn't end at the meat counter, it also affects the price of all dairy products.


That's at least 5 reasons not to burn it!



hope you dont mind me adding #6 Rocky. It wreaks havoc on small engines, mowers,weedeaters,chainsaws, ect..
 
And, it will severely mess up your outboard! The older outboards don't even run well on 10% ethanol. Scored the piston in mine twice, because I didn't have any place to buy straight gasoline.
 
Agree it`s definately not good for older vehicles or 2-smoke engines but for the newer vehicles designed for it.
Agree heavily Govnmt. subsidized
Agree not as efficient as reg. gasoline.
Not so sure about requiring more energy to produce it considering the by-products uses.
I guess the reason I`m for it, is the plain fact it`s re-newable and an alternative fuel.
 
Every once in a while people decide to do something so that future generations will see the results, instead of them maybe directly benefitting.

Fossil fuels have a very limited lifespan ... we need to find a renewable resource for our energy requirements.

E85 could possibly be a big part of the solution.
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Current estimates suggest the world's fossil fuel reserves are somewhere in the neighborhood of 342 years!

We got way bigger fish to fry than running out of crude oil!

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As far as E-85 being the answer...

We exceeded 1 billion cars globally in 2010.

It takes 11 acres of corn to produce enough fuel to run a car on ethanol for 1 year.

In 2008, the world's total arable land amounted to 13,805,153 km².

There is 247 acres in a square kilometer.


So let's do the math...

1 billion cars x 11 acres = 11 billion acres of corn annually for ethanol to meet 100% of global fuel needs.

13,805,153 Square Kilometers of Arable Land X 247 acres per square kilometer = 3,409,872,791 Acres of Arable Land


Thus if you put 100% of the worlds total tillable acres into corn annually to make ethanol, you would only be 7.6 billion acres short of corn to meet the world's global ethanol needs. That's right... Every single tillable acre in the world put into corn, would yield less than 4 months of the world's fuel needs.

Of course a whole lot of folks would starve to death in the first year or two, so those numbers would be subject to get better as time went by.


Then there is the argument that that is 100% of global fuel needs and E-85 is still part gas...

11 billion acres of corn x 85% (ethanol in E-85) = 9,350,000,000 acres of corn needed for enough E-85 to meet the world's needs.
Leaving you only 5.94 Billion acres short of meeting the worlds needs!



Still think E-85 could be a big part of the answer RB?


And, please don't get the impression that I'm pickin on you dude, I'm not; I am simply pointing out fact. Most people do not do the numbers, they listen to the propaganda and wander around feeling great about burning ethanol because it's "the answer" according to the government. Ethanol is not the renewable energy source our illustrious goverment makes it out to be!! Believe me! It simply does not work, when you do the math.
 
Rocky

You make it sound like corn is the only source for producing E85.

South America has been using E85 quite effectively for several years now. In fact, E85 makes up for about 40% of their fuel consumption. Pretty impressive, in my opinion!

You might ask, how does South America produce their ethanol? The answer: Sugar Cane.

Another thing, producing E85 is a big investment. Building ethanol plants isn't cheap. The more E85 we consume ... the cheaper it's going to get.

I bet you can't say that about crude oil!
 


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