Be careful what you plant!

Quote:The raid on the Garden of Eden farm appears to be the latest example of police departments using SWAT teams and paramilitary tactics to enforce less serious crimes. A Fox television affiliate reported this week, for example, that police in St. Louis County, Mo., brought out the SWAT team to serve an administrative warrant. The report went on to explain that all felony warrants are served with a SWAT team, regardless whether the crime being alleged involves violence.

In recent years, SWAT teams have been called out to perform regulatory alcohol inspections at a bar in Manassas Park, Va.; to raid bars for suspected underage drinking in New Haven, Conn.; to perform license inspections at barbershops in Orlando, Fla.; and to raid a gay bar in Atlanta where police suspected customers and employees were having public sex. A federal investigation later found that Atlanta police had made up the allegations of public sex.

Other raids have been conducted on food co-ops and Amish farms suspected of selling unpasteurized milk products. The federal government has for years been conducting raids on medical marijuana dispensaries in states that have legalized them, even though the businesses operate openly and are unlikely to pose any threat to the safety of federal enforcers.


So now we can add all of this bullsh1t to harrassing an animal shelter over an unpermitted bambi, and the legally purchased guitar wood, and a few overblown IRS complications.

For all you former LEOs, understand... I realize there is always a point where, YES this kinda sh1t is necessary given the information you have received.

However, in the case of bambi, the report stated the animal shelter had been under observation for 5 days, and agents had seen the deer entering and leaving the barn. The report went on to say, that the volunteers at the shelter were held for 3 hours, while DNR agents searched for the deer, and concluded in debating whether they killed bambi in the barn, or tranquilized him in the barn.

If they had been there for 5 days, why was it necessary to harrass the volunteers for 3 damm hours?

In this case, why did it take them 10 hours to confiscate a few plants for sitting to close to the right of way? Why were residents held AT GUNPOINT FOR A HALF HOUR?

I mean. I'm at a loss here guys. Don't swat teams have handcuffs? Couldn't they simply cuff them to the couch or the banister on the stairs, or each other, or the [BEEP]ing outhouse, or something, making it impossible for them to escape, and put their guns up??

Why are these departments going to such great lengths to harrass citizens of the US? If you want to use your SWAT team go down to the ghetto and perform a few drug raids. Otherwise, subpoena the Okra farmer, tell him he'll be jailed if he doesn't show up for court and leave him alone.

And, yes I watched the video. He is one freaky looking dude, but... We've got one that works for us, that would put his sh1t to shame in the freaky looking department, and he's the nicest guy you ever wanted to meet in your life. Didn't like how they were treating grandma in the nursing home, so he took her home and HE took care of her every need for 5 damm years. Had someone come in for a few hours twice a week so he could run to the store, and take care of business, but otherwise he, and he alone, took care of his grandmother's every need for 5 years. Anyone here up for changing your 98 year old grandmother's diapers???

This sh1t is beyond ridiculous... A swat team raiding Amish farms for selling milk?? HELLO... The Amish are not armed, they are non-violent people. These guys never watch Harrison Ford in Witness, or what?

WHY??? Someone, please tell me why.





 
Rocky,,,,I have no answers for you....I've said in other posts that this new breed of officers and their administrative leaders scare the crap out of me, most of the time...We changed the hiring profiles and supposedly upped the education requirements to the extent that they come out of college, through an academy where they are indoctrinated in survival scenarios that leaves most of them a little paranoid...

I attended one of those Officer Survival seminars not too long before I retired and even I came out a little paranoid...Not saying that there are not dangerous people out in the community, but at least, in my time, I had a bunch of experience working with the 'everyday Joe' to recognize the difference...

It used to be if we had a situation where someone was armed and refusing to surrender, we would send two beat officers in and drag him out in the manner that was decided by him...
I can't count the number of times I served felony warrants, brought out robbery suspects, or those involved in other crimes with nothing other than a back up officer....Back in those days, we didn't have portable radios, computers, tazers, mace, etc...A good back up officer, common sense, and following established safety guidelines got us through the day...
 
More serious though. Im not as old as ot (i think) but le in the last 20 has had to adapt, not because of the people being arrested but the attys following the calls.


Intentionally going over the top here....
Back in the day you could smack a pos around and throw him in jail. He was a pos and deserved it.

Then one day civil law became popular, everyone saw easy money and 1/2 the phone book became full of starving lawyers. So there ended up being a mile long line of them screaming the 30 year old man who raped a dozen 3 year old kids was abused because he had a hangnail so he deserved a few billion dollars. Even though he really deserved being doused in gas and set alight in the town square.

But it was found that employing shock and awe tactics tended to shut down potential nasty situations. So no rough stuff need be employed, so there were fewer (legit) complaints of use of force. But then you had attys starving again, and the suits were about x being non violent, even though they had a propensity for violence but were successfully shut down by shock and awe being (unfairly) singled out.

So adapt again and by policy ALL felony situations used the same tactics, no singling out. And of course the complaints now are that in x situation the tactics are not needed. And for the cops, theyre not but for the admin, they are.

From my experience NO attorney will stand up for a true victim. There is no money in it. But they foam at the mouth for the victimizer whos feelings got hurt.

If you want to find the reason for your treatment today, look at the attorneys of yesterday.

So. Kind of ranty
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Well let's see what we can find...

There is this excerpt from an article in the Orlando Sentinal.

Quote:A history of noncompliance?
Justifying the operations, Orange sheriff's officials said the shops targeted had displayed a lack of cooperation with state inspectors and had a history of criminal activity.

In terms of inspection history, the barbershops appear to have little in common. Records show some shops had lengthy histories of noncompliance, while others never had a complaint.

In terms of demographics, the shops had clear similarities: Their clientele, owners and staff were predominantly black or Hispanic, and all were located in or near high-crime areas.

And, although the Orange County barbershop raids were unprecedented in Florida, they're not the first of their kind.

Last year, the American Civil Liberties Union sued the city of Moreno Valley, Calif., among others, after authorities conducted what the civil-rights group described in its complaint as "a series of raid-style searches" of black barbershops.

The case has not yet been resolved, but records show some of the plaintiffs settled for $33,000 earlier this year.

The suit alleged that "police in Moreno Valley, in coordination with local and state inspectors," targeted black barbershops that "housed legitimate, respected businesses" that served the community as "social centers and gathering places."

Many of the west Orange County barbers made similar claims. Said Berry of Strictly Skillz, "There's a fine line [between] doing your job and violating a person's civil rights."

Read the full article: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/health/os-illegal-barbering-arrests-20101107,0,5128098,full.story


And, now raids on Orlando Barber Shops also lead us to raids on Barber Shops in Moreno Valley, California. Neither of which found a whole lot... aside from the liberal judges in Californa finding the cops guilty of Civil Rights Violations and giving the tax payers' money to the barbers. Which is exactly where I see many, if not all of these other situations going.


But this might be a large part of the reason for such raids, if you can't find enough evidence to convince the judge to issue a search warrant, just call in the regulatory agency, then you can raid the joint without a warrant.

Well... There goes the fourth amendment out the window!!


Quote:The SWAT Team Would Like to See Your Alcohol Permit

How police use regulatory inspections to conduct warrantless searches

Radley Balko | December 13, 2010

In August a team of heavily armed Orange County, Florida, sheriff’s deputies raided several black- and Hispanic-owned barbershops in the Orlando area. There were more raids in September and October. According to the Orlando Sentinel, barbers and customers were held at gunpoint, some in handcuffs, while police turned the shops upside down. A total of nine shops were raided, and 37 people were arrested.

By all appearances, these raids were drug sweeps. Shop owners told the Sentinel police asked where they were hiding illegal drugs and weapons. But in the end, 34 of the 37 arrests were for "barbering without a licence," a misdemeanor for which only three people have ever served jail time in Florida. Two arrests were for misdemeanor marijuana possession. Just one person was arrested on felony drug and weapon charges.

The most disturbing aspect of the raids, however, was that police didn't bother to obtain search warrants. They didn't have to. The raids were conducted in conjunction with the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation. Despite the guns and handcuffs, under Florida law these were licensure inspections, not criminal searches. So no warrant was necessary. Such "administrative searches" are a disturbingly common end run around the Fourth Amendment.

This sort of raid is usually conducted in bars and nightclubs under the guise of an alcohol inspection. New Haven recently sent a SWAT team to a local bar to investigate reports of underage drinking. Last week the Atlanta City Council agreed to pay a $1 million settlement to the customers and employees of a gay nightclub after a heavy-handed police raid in which 62 people were lined up on the floor at gunpoint, searched for drugs, and checked for outstanding warrants (and, incredibly, unpaid parking tickets). The September 2009 raid was conducted after undercover vice cops claimed to have witnessed patrons and employees openly having sex at the club. But the police never obtained a search warrant. Instead the raid was conducted as part of an alcohol inspection. There were no drug arrests, but eight employees were arrested for permit violations.

Federal appeals courts have upheld administrative searches even when they look for evidence of criminal activity, as long as the government can plausibly claim that the primary purpose of the search was regulatory. In the case of the Orlando raids, simply noting the arrests of 34 unlicensed barbers would be enough to meet this test.

But the Fourth Amendment requires that searches be "reasonable." If using a SWAT team to make sure a bar isn't serving 19-year-olds is considered reasonable, it's hard to imagine what wouldn't be. In 2009 the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit allowed a civil rights suit to go forward against the Rapides Parish, Louisiana, Sheriff's Department after a warrantless SWAT raid on a nightclub thinly veiled as an administrative search. In 1995 the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit made an even broader ruling, finding that having probable cause and a warrant for the arrest of one person in a club did not justify a SWAT raid and subsequent search of the entire club and everyone inside.

Other legal challenges to administrative searches have been less successful. Consider the bizarre case of David Ruttenberg, owner of the Rack 'n' Roll pool hall in Manassas Park, Virginia. In June 2004, local police conducted a massive raid on the pool hall that included more than 50 police officers, some of whom were wearing face masks and toting automatic weapons. (Watch video of the raid here.) It turned out police were investigating Ruttenberg for several alleged drug crimes, although so far he has not been charged with any. They had tried unsuccessfully to get a warrant to search the pool hall, where Ruttenberg also lived. So instead they brought along several representatives of the Virginia Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control and claimed to be conducting an alcohol inspection. The raid yielded three drug-related arrests, but two of the arrestees turned out to be police informants, and the third was an undercover police officer. Ruttenberg was cited for three alcohol violations, based on two bottles of beer a distributor had left that weren't clearly marked as samples and vodka found in his private office.

In June 2006, Ruttenberg filed a civil rights suit alleging that the town and the police department were unfairly targeting him and had repeatedly tried to frame him on drug charges. (I've followed and reported on Ruttenberg's case for several years.) In December 2006, a federal judge dismissed all of Ruttenberg's claims. In 2008 a panel for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit upheld the ruling on every claim but one—that using 50 or so police officers, SWAT gear, and automatic weapons to conduct an alcohol inspection is unreasonable under the Fourth Amendment. The case went back to the district court judge, who again dismissed that claim. In April of this year, a 4th Circuit panel affirmed that decision. Which means Ruttenberg's out of luck, and at least in the 4th Circuit, the Fourth Amendment doesn't prevent the government from sending a SWAT team to make sure your beer is labeled correctly.

Most Americans probably believe they can't be searched, handcuffed, or have a police gun pointed at them without probable cause. But courts have consistently found that the Fourth Amendment affords less protection for businesses, their employees, and their patrons than it does for private homes. Get caught in the wrong bar, barbershop, or pool hall at the wrong time, and you could find yourself subjected to an "inspection" that looks and feels suspiciously like a search.

Radley Balko is a senior editor at Reason magazine.


http://reason.com/archives/2010/12/13/the-swat-team-would-like-to-se


But hold on... Seems the judge in Atlanta agreed that it was an egregrious abuse of authority, and a civil rights violation. More tax payer money shot in the @ss.


And, it's NOT just A RAID on an Amish farm, it seems Law Enforcement all over the country is scared sh1tless the Amish Mafia really exists Indy, he11 there are SWAT Team Raids on Amish Farms coast to coast. For what??? For following their religious beliefs. For selling people a wholesome organically grown unpasteurized quart of milk??? That is absolutely [BEEP]ing laughable. Doesn't our government have anything better to do than worry about a farmer selling a quart of milk to someone whom they cannot prevent from owning a damm cow of their own to milk??? I mean seriously... if you want to drink unpasteurized milk bad enough, all you need is 5 - 10 acres in the country and buy your own damm cow. So there is no way they can stop people from consuming the milk, they're just going to stop those terrible Amish Terrorists from selling it to them.

https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&q=swat%20team%20raids%20amish%20farm

Of course, the reason for that is because our Federal Government has determined the Amish to be Terrorists!...

http://thedailystrumpet.blogspot.com/2011/03/amish-people-are-terrorists-according.html

Hmmmm... Muslims we should embrace, they blow up buildings, bomb public gatherings the world over, stone their wives to death for showing their faces in public, sexually assault little boys. But by God, you sell a quart of unpasteurized milk to someone, and he11 NO!! We cannot have that, call out the swat team!! You suppose maybe if they had called the SWAT Team in on the Boston Marathon Bombers, rather than have them off raiding barber shops, bars, chicken farms, organic gardens, and milking parlors all across the country, that maybe there would have been no bombing in Boston?

What it appears most of this crap boils down to is an attempt to scare the victims into submission and compliance. More commonly referred to as bullying, or extortion. Which is in most circles regarded as illegal.


Our government is out of [BEEP]ing control gentlemen, at all levels!! It is damm well time we started reining them in.



 
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