More Hevi-Shot "Dead Coyote" choke tube Tests

GeorgiaJoe

GeorgiaJoe

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I shoot a Mossberg 835 with 3 1/2" Hevi-Shot "Dead Coyote".
A couple years back I tested several and ended up using Trulock TKY .680.

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Trulock TKY .680 @ 50yds

Just had to try one of the new Carlson's Dead Coyote choke tubes I've been hearin'/readin' about.
Here's the results at 70yds.(Those are 3" targets. The X's are from other shots. The holes have been highlighted with a sharpie)
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Carlson's "Dead Coyote" tube.



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Trulock TKY .680
GAJoe
 
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This is a good no-BS post, thanks for it. No killing pattern there. And that is why we test pattern our loads and don't blindly buy this and that and go hunting with complete faith without first checking things out for ourselves. How about posting your pictures over on the Firearms Section in that thread I started about shotgun patterning? I think it would contribute to that thread and add solid information. Here is the link...

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/ubb...e=1&fpart=1
 
Two (2) pellets in the kill zone make for a tight pattern? The dot is 3" inches, double that area to approximate the kill zone of a coyote, and I can only see two vital hits. Heck, triple the area if you want to stretch it to a 9" circle and still only have two pellet strikes. That's just not enough when you consider many experienced shotgunners feel it requires a solid five hits for reliably killing coyotes. Truthfully, the farther out you go, probably the more hits you need to compensate for lower energy and penetration of the individual pellets. It is worth noting also that this is with the larger 3 1/2" Dead Coyote loading.
 
Well not to go off on a tangent. In the real World it only takes "one" solid hit from "one" pellet to roll or knock a coyote down. Then put another rd in him right quick & keep him there until dead.

If your talking a "1-shot" "perfect kill shot" then I might agree with you on the above 70yrd pattern. But, sometimes even under the best circumstance's[close range] on a solid hit. It is known, that some coyote's, can quickly recover & make it out of range.

When I used a shotgun. I "never" believed every coyote would drop dead from one shot. I've shot plenty close up, like many other hunters. Sometimes, they don't know there dead.
 
Coyote's in my area. From nose to rump. Are around 35" on average. Chest around 7-8" deep. That is quite afew square inch's, say...7"x30" square. Where a good sized pellet, packing enough energy will knock a coyote down.

Consider this. People have killed coyotes with .22 caliber rimfire rifles/pistols[head/heart/spine, ect]. The average velocity of a .22 cal RF is around 12-1400fps. Same as some large shotgun pellets.
Samo...samo.

I don't condone useing bad patterns or weak energy shotgun shot. But if a 1/2 dozen pellets fill the above [my]demensions & are packing enough penetration energy. Then it's a "green light" IMB.
 
Ahhh, the "Magic Pellet" theory! For those who may not be aware of this wishful situation, the "Magic Pellet Theory" is the blind hope that one magical pellet find the brain pan or spine, ect., and then have the energy and proper angle to penetrate the skull or bone structure, thus disabling the coyote immediately. Otherwise we know the coyote would run off wounded and most likely be unrecoverable with a festering pellet in the gut. Magic Pellet theorist don't worry about wounding coyotes, nor making quick recovery of the animal. These folks hope for the spectacular to happen - one magic pellet drops the coyote at fantastic shotgunning ranges. This of course makes the Magic Pellet Shooter a skilled hunter and marksman that can now brag of 80, 90, and, dare I say it - yes even 100+ yard kills with a shotgun. They are a special breed of spin doctor, er..., I mean hunter/shooter. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

I'll have to leave that to someone else, like you Kirby, because I am the unwashed and ignorant that trudges on having faith in a reliable and consistent pattern of pellets that I know will place multiple hits on a coyotes relatively small vitals within a known range from equipment heavily tested and proven both on the range and in the field on actual game. But hey, that's just me... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
While on the subject; A shotgunner, to truely understand his/her shotgun & a "particular shot" shell. Needs to do quite abit of patterning @ the same yardage, over & over & over. To truely understand that "particular shot shell's" patterning. Eventually getting a good visual & understanding of what the average pattern will "typically" look like @ that exact yardage.

It is not "conclusive" just to shoot a few rds. Every shot will have a slightly different pattern. It's the average of those patterns, a shotgunner should be looking for.

Penetration testing would follow suit. Once a shotgunnner believes the pattern is good.
 
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having faith in a reliable and consistent pattern of pellets




Reliable and Consistent sounds like a better deal than one by a " Professor Guesser"
 
Kirby,
When I did the patterning a couple years ago it was on 3/8" plywood and every pellet went clean through @ 70 yds (no trace of damage without total penetration). "D.C." has the penetration!
I did learn not to shoot at one running straight away the hard way. The yotes rear end kicked around on both shots but no vitals penetrated to put it down. I just take broad side or front on shots now.
 
Whats "magical" about putting five solid hits on a coyote's body & putting him on the ground, "vital" hits or not?. Thats the way I killed my coyotes. I suppose they were all pretend coyotes...LOL!

I've shot coyotes with rifles & blown large holes out the other side of their chest. Et had them get up & run.
Two Winter's ago, I about cut one in 1/2 with my .243WSSM.
that coyote got to her feet & ran slow down a hill.

I suppose in a "perfect World", like some. All coyotes should get 5 shotgun pellet hits in the heart, or 5 hits in the head, or 5 hits in the lungs or spine, ect. Or DON'T SHOOOOT!

Might as well use a rifle then.
 
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GAJoe,
I believe you.

Most all of [my] shotguned coyotes, were considered long range. As I stalked each & every one of them. I knew my shotguns & I knew my shot. Anyone who thinks it can't be done with the right shotgun & load. Needs to get out more often.

I to also used plywood for penetration testing. 1/4" plywood being the minimum thickness. I also used 1/2" & 3/4" plywood.

You can't beat a "smoothbore" FC shotgun for tight patterns. I've had three & they all shot tight groups w/buffered buckshot or plated BB.
 
About guessing where my pellets might go? Or having a complete understanding of my Shotgun/load/choke combination that I developed at the range.
About knowing with confidence that when I pull the trigger, I am executing an ethical shot well within the effective range of my gun.
Or do you want to know about shotgun/hunter combinations that think if they get a pellet in the coyotes mouth and one in the leg they just might have enough time to shoot it a second or third time before it runs off?
Which one do you want to know about?
 
Oh, so it all boils down to "ethics"...Oh Brother. So you've "never" shot a coyote @ long range then? You've never shot a Marlin model 55 12ga smoothbore Goose Gun, then? You need to re-read what I've already stated.
 
Re-read what part? Where you said it was a good pattern?....It's not.
Or where you said it only takes one pellet to "knock them down"? Also another untrue statement, unless the pellet hits them in the head.....

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These coyotes were both shot with #4 Buck at 25 yards and 50 yards. The 25 yard shot dropped the coyote in its tracks but the 50 yard coyote ran off after taking 7 hits in the side. If it wasn't for the snow I probably never would of found him.....

You stated in an above post about a coyote not dropping after being almost blown in half. So why would you advocate people to go with the hope of maybe dropping one with a hopefull, lucky pellet?


Edit: I'm not trying to force My ethics on you or anyone...just answering a question....
 
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I'm not talking about this BS of the golden "one pellet" kill. I stated one pellet, because one pellet "can" kill a coyote or fox. Get the picture?. You want to twist my words go right ahead. Doesn't change fact.

Have I "ever" stated a coyote only takes one shot? Here I'll help you, understand...NO.

Look up all my old posts, & see for yourself. Many of the coyotes I've killed. I shot more than "ONCE", even some close ones, understand. If you have experience shooting/killing coyotes. You, should know, they "always" don't just drop dead ALL the time after a solid hit.

"Untruths" thats amusing.

When I shoot a coyote, with whatever firearm I use. I'm ready to put amother rd in them quickly, regardless of yardage.

Again re-read what I've already stated.

By your own statement. WHY? would you shoot a coyote @ 50yrds & let it run off?
 
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By your own statement. WHY? would you shoot a coyote @ 50yrds & let it run off?




I was in the woods and couldn't get a second shot....The coyote was out of sight within a second or two after the first shot....Not everyone hunts in the wide open prairie...

And I'm not twisting your words. Just going by what you wrote, which makes no sense to me....
 
Lungbuster,
This is old hat with kirby. He says a little of everything and anything, a logical discussion is tough to follow through with. Kirby and I have been over this time after time and we'll never see eye to eye on it. In fact, he's been called on this by others too, not just me. He claims 100+ yard shotgun kills, shoot em' wherever and if you can get the perfect pellet in them, then good on ya - you're a coyote hunter. I feel for the new hunter that tries such antics and watches his first few coyotes yelp and run away to not be found. Kirby has a lot of interesting "theories." He's probably a decent guy to sit around the campfire and BS with, as long as you realize you're just BSing'... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
GC, funny assumption of myself. I have "only" ever made "1" 100yrd shot on "1" coyote. Not "kills", as you state...don't twist my words. Took 3 rds of buckshot in quick succession. Coyote was a brute, weighed 50lbs even.

I shot my 1st coyote Winter of 68. I've killed many over the yrs useing a shotgun. What also is funny. A shotgun coyote hunter that claims anything other then "what you believe" is possible, is BS'ing.

I've stated before & YOU know this. That I would thoroughly test my shotgun, shot pattern & pellet penetration energy @ varying yardages. To believe, I have a capable pattern & pellet energy to kill coyotes @ those yardages. Yet you still put your spin on my claims.

I've also claimed, as you well know. I wouldn't shoot @ a coyote, beyond my shotgun's ability's to effectively put one on the ground & keep him there. I agreed with you before on the general consensus for the typical shotgun kill range "max" is 50-60yrds. No big mystery there.

I will also say, since I have seen other's post pics & claims of "Heavy Shot" I believe of it's ability's of downrange penetration.

BTW I'm am a nice guy, well sorta /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 


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