Let's talk terriers!

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DTOM

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I have been scouring the boards and net looking for all the info I can get my hands on trying to make a good decision on what type of terrier I would like to get and how that dog will respond to being in my kennels with 4 other established dogs.

I have been looking at Jagds, but I had a Jagd male about a year ago that was a great prospect and well on his way to being a great trapline and coyote decoy/denning machine. Unfortunately, he was uncurably dog aggressive,esp. around fur, so I had to have him clipped and gave him to an older guy who only hunts alone and never with another dog. He loves him and he seems to have found a great buddy once the jagd got rid of the guys wifes cats but thats another story.

I have also been looking at Patterdales and know I will eventually be adding atleast 2 of these barn hunting machines to my kennels. I just have to find some working pups first.

I would like to hear from other working/hunting terrier owners about anything they have exp that would help me pick a good terrier that will not exhibit dog on dog aggression. I, along with the others I hunt with have a zero tolerance policy on dog fights. Are there other breeds of working terriers that would seem to fill the bill? I want a dog that will hunt barns, den coyotes with help from my Mt. Cur and GWP's, do light ground work, and be a companion on the trapline and most importantly get along with the other dogs at home and in the field.

I've been looking at a Lail x Glover bred Jagd that looks like he might fit in great. I just don't want to bring another home, invest in the dog and then train him for a year only to find out he will never get along with the other dogs and have to move him along.

Are there other breeds of terriers that are more dog friendly and I would have better odds of getting a non-aggressive one. Along the lines of Fox terriers or JRT? What breeders or breed lines should I look for? What about male vs. female is one gender more prone to fighting then the other? I have heard both ways, some say males are way more aggressive and others have said the females are more aggressive

Anyone with any info or other help as to how to break the dog aggression cycle or what has worked for you please feel free to post your thoughts. I have an open mind and am willing to listen to all you guys have to say. Other then the Jagd, I have never had a working terrier so help a rookie out.

To all the guys who have been replying to all my PM's thanks for the time you and info you have passed on to me.

Tim
 
I have a Mt.cur/Fiest mix and I am very happy with him. He is very intelligent and does well with other dogs. He is about 6 yr old now and when I got him as a pup he was purely a squirrel hunting dog, now he does just about everything with me. I feel like you could train him to do just about anything, one funny thing about this dog is he loves the water. He swims like a lab, and hits the water twice as hard. I taught him how to use the ladders in our swimming pool and he jumps right in and retrieves and goes to a ladder. Also taught him how to jump off the diving board like a big air dog. He is very funny. He is very fur friendly, I have got him were he will kill but not tear up a critter.

Anyway I am very happy with mine.
 
I have a JRT and every coyote I kill he claims as his.

I hunt him by himself most of the time. One of my hunting buddies has a JRT male and they do have a fight now and again, but for the most part they will get along.
On a stand his JRT stays close to him and Bean stays close to me. I am interested in what other have to offer on this subject.
Kelly
 
if your looking for a ground terrier and hunt barns you should stay with the smaller like jag or patterdale!!
But like i said in your PM go with a young one so you can mold him to fit your needs and other dogs!!

Vargy
 
You may try a female terrier.

I'd also look at a feist. The male that I have does have some "odd" problems but most don't. He is a better tree dog and handles better in the woods than my Jagd. He'd make a better hole dog if he wasn't a chubby 32 lbs. While he isn't a big critter fighter, he picks and chooses his spots and goes for the throat everytime. My jagd just tears right into em and has a better nose.

Feist come in all shapes and sizes. Some look like rat terriers with pointed, upright ears and other look like small curs with solid colors and bent ears.

CB
 
Thanks for your input guys. Keep them comming.

Does anyone know anything about the Lail or Glover line of Jagds? If I remeber right the dog I'm looking at comes from a dog from Gary Rushane out of old Glover lines and a lail bred female. I think Gary Rushane has the Jagds that are in the picture of the jagds and the Mt. Lion on the rock bluff.

The dog I am looking at seems to be real well socialized and already running with hounds and an airedale. I'm told he's hasn't had any dog aggression problems.

I guess I'm probably snake bit from the first Jagd I owned and making more out of this then needs to be. I am exp in training all types of hunting dogs. When I was info gathering on the net it seems to me that certain lines are much more dog sharp then others.

Will a Fiest have enough grit to go into a coyote den and wrestle it out or flush it to the cur? I have squirrel hunted with a Barger stock fiest a couple times and it was a treeing machine.

Tim
 
I don't think I'd want to send either my Jagd or my feist into a hole after a coyote 1 on 1. Coon and fox, no problem but not a coyote.

The feists I've seen have about the same amount of grit as curs. My feist is just a SMARTER fighter than my jagd. He'll bay till he gets an opening and then go in. So unless a coyote is going to bolt easy, my feist would just bay it in the hole till hell freezes over. When coon hunting my feist will be on a coon the second it hits the ground. But if the coon puts up too much of a fight he'll start to bay it till the coon turns to run or he gets a good opening to the throat then he'll pounce again.

CB
 
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I don't think I'd want to send either my Jagd or my feist into a hole after a coyote 1 on 1. Coon and fox, no problem but not a coyote.

The feists I've seen have about the same amount of grit as curs. My feist is just a SMARTER fighter than my jagd. He'll bay till he gets an opening and then go in. So unless a coyote is going to bolt easy, my feist would just bay it in the hole till hell freezes over. When coon hunting my feist will be on a coon the second it hits the ground. But if the coon puts up too much of a fight he'll start to bay it till the coon turns to run or he gets a good opening to the throat then he'll pounce again.

CB




Sounds like you are describing my dog, he will bay for ever and then when the critter looks at me he dives in for the neck and its all over. I was a little worried about the first coon I turned him loose on but he dispatched it with skill.
 
Jagdhunt.com There are also other Jagd forums around. I am getting A Jagd in March so I have been doing alot of research on them
 
I live in Chisago county, I am getting my dog from A guy in South Dakota. Where do you live? and what do you hunt with your Jagd.
 
Who are you guys getting dogs from in South Dakota, Heath, Ezra, or Dennis? I hunt with these guys, except Dennis. I keep patterdales and have been smashing with terriers for 12 years. Two completely different styles as far as that is concerned. My experience has been that with ANY terriers, never keep males or females together except out hunting and still under a watchful eye. I don't have problems coon hunting mine, but I come down like thunder if they even look cross-eyed at each other.

Where at in MN are you all? I grew up in Faribault? I can help get you dogs whether you want patterdales that I have or jagds that they have. We are all hardcore hunters and I keep an airedale too.

Nate
 
Hey Rolly, Nice to see you here. I love reading your posts on the other working terrier forums. I live about an hour north of the metro. I hunt SD about one trip a year when I'm out pheasant hunting. I wish I could use the dogs there but it's a no go for non residents. You guys have had a tough time with mange out in the western parts of your state.

I've read about your terrier "expirement" for a while. How's it going? It will be intresting.

Anyways, Good to have you here. Look forward to talking with you in the future.

Tim
 
Weasel-Ut, absolutely! Hit 7 spots and nothing, then one building the little black male on the left marked and it was on. Took about 2 hours to get the 8 coons out, but had to leave a few for seed (2-3 coons left behind). Dogs took some major damage too. The little black male got his jugular bit and way spraying blood, the black female on the right got a silver dollar sized hole chewed through her cheek, the red male on the right got Coon Hound Paralysis from the hunt (was down paralised for 3 weeks), and the red female was flat out exhausted to where she couldn't walk straight. All in all, they lived, coons died.

DTom, did I sell you a pup? Nut? If not what do you go by on the other forums?

Thanks for the words. If you want to hunt here, let me know, non residents can go along as an unarmed observer..........so you CAN come hunt......
 
Calmer around the house, better with other dogs (disclaimer: all terriers will scrap with each other under unwatchful or unknowing ignorant owners), hard driving, hard biting, great locating, good with people dogs; as compared to most other terriers out there.

This is MY personal opinion after having or hunting with terriers for 12years.

Mine don't range out-like jagds (some people like/hate this)

Smaller size- 14-20lbs: most jagds are larger (not all)

Calm- not like russells or jagds (some are, most not)

Less stubborn/More obedient- call it what you will, they listen more

They know when it's time to hunt and turn it off in/around the house. Big plus for me. I also hate hunting FOR dogs; I would rather hunt WITH them. These don't open on track, tree, or bay (for the most part). Don't try to hunt these with or like hounds, you will be disappointed. I think for the most part you can hunt a jagd like these, you will just have to deal with a jagd being a jagd. People who own them know what I mean.
 
Hi Rolly, I was going to get a pup from Ezra but the pregnancy did not take so he recomended someone in Iowa and that is where I got my pup from, DTOM also picked up a male and female from him. I think I can speak for him as well as myself in saying I am very excited to see what the next hunting season will bring with these little buggers, I have never had a Jagd before so it will be a fun experience. I am training him for bloodtrailing, and hoping to chase some coon,fox,and cats.
 


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