00Buck vs 4Buck

bleas

bleas

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This year I have had some trouble putting the coyotes on the ground, I hunt mostly night time with 12 ga shotgun and a Tru Glo Turkey choke. I admit that a few times I haven't looked down the barrel before pulling the trigger but other times I am sure that I do. I have dropped coyotes in their tracks with same setup. Im wondering what everyone is using for ammo. If you are going to say dead coyote, its out of the question, not spending that kind of money on ammo for a $5 coyote. I've been using Remington shells in 3" 4Buck. I've patterned it and it patterns very good at 30 yds. How far does everyone pattern their guns? And what shells does everyone have best luck with?
 
Try the Carlson's Dead Dog choke. I shoot Heavy Shot Dead Coyote through mine but #4 buck patterns as good just not as much range. That choke works alot better than any turkey choke I ever tried with that big of shot.
 
I was on target last night when I took the shot. The yote was at 30 yds and it didn't touch the thing or didn't seem to.
 
So its sounds to me that these shots they make on TV that are 75yds with 4buck are just luck shots or they have the perfect combination of gun, choke, and shot. Good job on those tests though. Just amazes me that I could miss a coyote that bad to not even get 5 pellets in it
 
I think you need to check what's going on at the pattern board.We all here try to find the best choke/load for long shots.That's fine but don't overlook that also means less room for aim/point error at shorter ranges with or without some type of sight.
 
Originally Posted By: bleasSo its sounds to me that these shots they make on TV that are 75yds with 4buck are just luck shots or they have the perfect combination of gun, choke, and shot. Good job on those tests though. Just amazes me that I could miss a coyote that bad to not even get 5 pellets in it
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Yes, the coyotes killed at 75 yards with a shotgun are indeed pure LUCK. One stray pellet through the brain does not a 75 yard shotgun make. 75 yards with a deer slug maybe, but not Buckshot. 00 BUCK don't have enough pellets for dense patterns at 40 yards, which is why the #4 BUCK is a better choice. Always pattern your shotgun on paper target before taking it hunting. This is the only way to learns the point of impact and density of pattern. You may end up trying several different choke tubes before you find which one works best in your particular shotgun. For #4 BUCK, I have found that the Kicks Industries Buck Kicker X full works best in my own shotgun. My past experience has also shown that Remington 870 shotguns shoot good patterns with the FULL choke that comes with it. Only time at the patterning board will teach you what you shotgun likes though.
 
My shots got better on turkeys and other critters when I put some sights on the rib of my 870. Even with two beads, with a tight choke you have to be right on. Much easier to line up three glowing dots than two beads.
 
Dropped a coyote the other day at 65 yds maybe 70.one bead hit it right between the eyes and 2 hit the back legs and 1 in the gut.somehow it didn't die it was just laying there moving its head so I had to finish her off. I was using federal 00 buck
 
I don't know how tight your turkey choke is but from my experience with a SBE 3 1/2 all turkey chokes were too tight and most stated on the packaging not to use shot larger than #4 let alone #4 buck. I would suggest you pattern your loads with the standard modified and full chokes that came with your shotgun. I find modified works very well for me with #4 buck out to 40-45 yds and only sometimes beyond that.
 
Originally Posted By: Troy RI don't know how tight your turkey choke is but from my experience with a SBE 3 1/2 all turkey chokes were too tight and most stated on the packaging not to use shot larger than #4 let alone #4 buck. I would suggest you pattern your loads with the standard modified and full chokes that came with your shotgun. I find modified works very well for me with #4 buck out to 40-45 yds and only sometimes beyond that.

Based on my personal experience, that right there is some of the best advice you'll get.
A turkey choke made for #4,5, or 6 shot will not perform well with any buckshot.
 
#4 buck is ~ .24 caliber with ~21 pellets per oz each weighing about 24 grain(480 grains/oz divided by 21 pellets)
So lets say it 1,200 feet a second and an ounce and a half then you have about 30 pellets of what is basically very similar to a .22 rifle round(a little lighter), correct ? I think the range can be way more than 30-40 yards(120 feet). I shoot the 3 1/2" Win XX mags I think they have 53 pellets(they pack the biggest kick of any shell I've shot). Patterns are a little irratic but never less than 4 hits on a dog at 60yards. Nothing like the density they claim the DC patterns are at 70yds but lethal at 60. I wouldn't want to hit with it.
My buddy cleanly missed a charging dog, when it turned he shot low but the pellets skimmed the ground and still got him. So I guess I'd rather be low than high. Given the power of the #4 buck I have to think you missed.
 
Coyotes may have more will to live than anyother animal that I have ever hunted.

You need to carefully analyze your point of impact vs your point of aim. Often shotguns will print differently from where the point of aim is.

This may be the main reason you are gimping up coyotes. My 1100 that I killed a lot of coyotes with shoots low...asked me how I learned this??!!***

I use a Carlson's turkey choke in my shotgun and get 20" patterns at 40 yards with Rem 3" buck. Every shotgun is different, every choke tube is different...assume NOTHING!
 
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