So I’ve been looking to load up some rounds for my AR. It’s an 18” .223 wylde chamber with a 1-7 twist. I hoped to use some 40 gr noslers that my bolt absolutely loves. The AR not so much, not a big surprise. What have guys had luck with out of such a fast twist? Hoping to stay away from match type bullets, I mainly shoot for fur. With that in mind any suggestions would be great!
1/7 twist AR bullet selection
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Sierra 64gr TGK should work well for you. I've talked to a couple different people that has shot Sierra's Gamechanger 223 ammo that is loaded with this bullet and they were happy with the results.
Biggest problem you'll have right now is just finding the specific bullet/s you want to try. Unfortunately, unless you already have them it's kind of a take whatever you can get market.
Biggest problem you'll have right now is just finding the specific bullet/s you want to try. Unfortunately, unless you already have them it's kind of a take whatever you can get market.
Zastava223rem
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A load I have proven to work quite well is a stout load of H335 behind a 60 gr VMAX. It was book max of 25.4 gr that shot the best with the second best group being 25 gr. Obviously work up to that as depending on primer choice and brass, that may be over pressure in your rifle. It certainly is a warm one for mine.
arlaunch
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That profile you have was designed and built with match profile bullets in mind. You may find Hornady 75's shoot real well for you out of that combo. You may also find the "on game" performance is good as well?
Try Sierra's #1390. Bi-Mart usually carry's them in normal times. They shot real well out of a rifle i had once with a 1/7 twist. I ended up shooting long pointy bullets out of that tube though, as i had other barrels that shot that same bullet a bit better.
To this day, the most accurate bullet i have ever fired consistently out of a 5.56 Nato chamber with a 9 twist is the Nosler 55gr Ballistic tip. I never tried it in my other faster twist rifles though.
The Sierra 55gr HPBT #1390 drops Coyotes in their tracks. Even at 223 REM velocities.
Try Sierra's #1390. Bi-Mart usually carry's them in normal times. They shot real well out of a rifle i had once with a 1/7 twist. I ended up shooting long pointy bullets out of that tube though, as i had other barrels that shot that same bullet a bit better.
To this day, the most accurate bullet i have ever fired consistently out of a 5.56 Nato chamber with a 9 twist is the Nosler 55gr Ballistic tip. I never tried it in my other faster twist rifles though.
The Sierra 55gr HPBT #1390 drops Coyotes in their tracks. Even at 223 REM velocities.
I have a Colt 1/7 223. It loves 68gr Hornady BTHP Match bullets, which are no good for coyotes.
I have worked up some loads with 53gr VMax & 55gr Nosler BT's that are accurate enough to hunt with but I had to back off the load & slow them down a bit to do it. At faster speeds they over stabilize & the groups open up.
While I've never loaded for the wylde I expect the same problem to exist. Maybe try something designed for varmints in the 55 - 60gr range but expect to have to use a less than max load to get the best accuracy
I have worked up some loads with 53gr VMax & 55gr Nosler BT's that are accurate enough to hunt with but I had to back off the load & slow them down a bit to do it. At faster speeds they over stabilize & the groups open up.
While I've never loaded for the wylde I expect the same problem to exist. Maybe try something designed for varmints in the 55 - 60gr range but expect to have to use a less than max load to get the best accuracy
cherokeetracker
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Tika58. The 1-7 twist being for heavier bullets, delights in fodder at pills above 60grs. I have used several different brands and grain weights. Sometimes a little experimentation will result in stellar performance. Each barrel will decide it’s preferences only to be determined on the firing line. With more conclusive result exposed in the field.
An excellent hog pill has been the Barnes 70gr running above 2800fps. Well noted this round performs best at 150yds or less. Speed is the issue for bullet performance. Perfect mushrooms need the higher velocities that are lacking at longer distances.
The 40gr versions will not benefit from a 1-7 twist. As others have stated, you will have to slow em down. Simply no need for a fast twist on small versions. The other bad thing you get is higher pressures at faster twists accompanied with higher velocities even in the lower grain spectrum. While not endangering yourself with blowing up your AR, the little bullets have been known to blow up or simply come apart at high velocities and fast twists. Other things as erratic patterns let alone any group attempt.
Hence bullet makers labeled some bullets as such. My 22 Hornet bullets need to be segregated from bullets designated for 223 chambers.
Depending upon the range of your intended target and the target itself,, you may be able to use the 40 gr at say a medium velocity, with positive results. I have seen decent groups at 100 yds and then when the attempt to stretch the legs, resulted in patterns and flyers.
I suggest a ladder load since the limits of components is strangling.
An excellent hog pill has been the Barnes 70gr running above 2800fps. Well noted this round performs best at 150yds or less. Speed is the issue for bullet performance. Perfect mushrooms need the higher velocities that are lacking at longer distances.
The 40gr versions will not benefit from a 1-7 twist. As others have stated, you will have to slow em down. Simply no need for a fast twist on small versions. The other bad thing you get is higher pressures at faster twists accompanied with higher velocities even in the lower grain spectrum. While not endangering yourself with blowing up your AR, the little bullets have been known to blow up or simply come apart at high velocities and fast twists. Other things as erratic patterns let alone any group attempt.
Hence bullet makers labeled some bullets as such. My 22 Hornet bullets need to be segregated from bullets designated for 223 chambers.
Depending upon the range of your intended target and the target itself,, you may be able to use the 40 gr at say a medium velocity, with positive results. I have seen decent groups at 100 yds and then when the attempt to stretch the legs, resulted in patterns and flyers.
I suggest a ladder load since the limits of components is strangling.
DiRTY DOG
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Originally Posted By: cherokeetrackerAn excellent hog pill has been the Barnes 70gr running above 2800fps. Well noted this round performs best at 150yds or less. Speed is the issue for bullet performance. Perfect mushrooms need the higher velocities that are lacking at longer distances. Then why use the heaviest option possible? Wouldn't a lighter Barnes copper, say 55gr, benefit from higher velocity but still have good penetration? Curious why so many Barnes copper solid shooters go UP in weight instead of DOWN, especially for short distances.
I've not used any of the solid copper bullets. Looking forward to the answer on that.
cherokeetracker
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Barnes 70gr is not the heaviest option. One can go as high as 95gr maybe not in Barnes,,,
But if I want to shoot 55gr I will use a slower twist, especially for longer distance. Re read my first post. Maybe even look at Barnes website.
But if I want to shoot 55gr I will use a slower twist, especially for longer distance. Re read my first post. Maybe even look at Barnes website.
DiRTY DOG
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Originally Posted By: cherokeetrackerBarnes 70gr is not the heaviest option. One can go as high as 95gr maybe not in Barnes,,,
But if I want to shoot 55gr I will use a slower twist, especially for longer distance. Re read my first post. Maybe even look at Barnes website.
It appears you don't comprehend this stuff very well, but it's hard to tell from your vague and coded comments.
But if I want to shoot 55gr I will use a slower twist, especially for longer distance. Re read my first post. Maybe even look at Barnes website.
It appears you don't comprehend this stuff very well, but it's hard to tell from your vague and coded comments.
arlaunch
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I have been playing around with all copper bullets both Nosler and Barnes.
My own research has showed slower kills on Coyotes than with my go to favorite lead core bullets.
I am of the opinion that the copper bullets work best in a light for caliber weight out of a long for caliber barrel.
For light game of course.
I have no idea what its like to shoot thick skinned and thick boned hogs. I hope they never show up in my region...
If they did, i have a 308 waiting. And if i was going to use copper in that caliber, it most definitely would be the lightest bullet available.
My own research has showed slower kills on Coyotes than with my go to favorite lead core bullets.
I am of the opinion that the copper bullets work best in a light for caliber weight out of a long for caliber barrel.
For light game of course.
I have no idea what its like to shoot thick skinned and thick boned hogs. I hope they never show up in my region...
If they did, i have a 308 waiting. And if i was going to use copper in that caliber, it most definitely would be the lightest bullet available.
I know you said you wanted to stay away from match bullets...but the 77gr nosler custom competition with cannelure has worked absolutely fantastic for me in my 20" 1:8 .223 wylde loaded to 5.56 speeds. .22 hole in, vitals turned to mush, and either no exit, or a 3" exit just depending on the coyote. Exits often enough I wouldn't choose it if I was saving pelts, but it absolutely hammers them for a 5.56 load.
I haven't tried the version with no cannelure, it may work just as well on predators, but I figure the cannelure, while very shallow on the nosler, still gives a good spot for fragmentation to start.
I haven't tried the version with no cannelure, it may work just as well on predators, but I figure the cannelure, while very shallow on the nosler, still gives a good spot for fragmentation to start.
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