Well I guess it would only be fair to report the good with the bad! Last Sunday evening I took my girls out with the weather being mild we head for the two man ladder stand over looking a recent picked corn field. Wasnt long after we settle in the deer start to filter into the field, with a mature doe standing broadside only 41 yards according to my rangefinder. After getting the o.k. from my girls to shoot, I draw back and let it fly. POP is what I hear, the doe wheels around and I see my arrow stuck in her shoulder with a good portion of the arrow hanging out! OH NO I say as she is headed for the thicket, well about 30 yards from the thicket she stops for a minute and I can clearly see the arrow in lodged pretty well into the shoulder with the binos. Well there she goes off into the dreaded thicket. The girls and I head home to give her some time and after about an hour and a half we are back in the thicket looking for her. We find the arrow right away with the 2 blade rage still attached. And after an hour of searching we come to a dead end with no more blood to work with, we pull out! Next morning I go back in looking for another hour with no luck in finding her. Later that morning I measure the penetration of the arrow and from the tip to where the blood stops on the arrow I come up with 5 inches of penetration. I am not sure if that is enough to kill a deer. So the point of the story is STAY AWAY FROM THE SHOULDER! If you can help it! I am not ruling out the 2 blade rage yet!