William Suter
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Anyone heard of this yet? I just quick read an article that Savage is coming out with a new rimfire chambered in 21 Sharps. More research needed.
21 Sharps
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Winchester doesn't have a very good record when it comes to supporting their new creations and I think ammo is going to be considerably more expensive then regular 22LR so I'm not particularly optimistic as to the success of this and for me it would be a hard sell over the 17 HMR.
Instead of creating something new I'd rather see Winchester put their efforts into making 17 WSM ammo and while they're at it I don't think any of us 17 WSM fans would complain if they tightened up the QC on it as well.
Instead of creating something new I'd rather see Winchester put their efforts into making 17 WSM ammo and while they're at it I don't think any of us 17 WSM fans would complain if they tightened up the QC on it as well.
22magnum22
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I agree with B23, the 21 sharps, according to Winchester's own info, offers little advantage over Stinger or Velocitor ammo velocity wise and does not approach 17hmr or even 22 magnum. My point being, what is gained with this caliber? 
William Suter
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I agree with both of you. My first thought was "why"? I looked at the velocity table in the add and it didn't impress me that much if any. Then looked at the Savage rifles and was even less impressed. I'd much rather see more ammo and large rifle primers than a new cartridge and rifle that in a year or so won't be able to get ammo for either. I'm sure there will be shooters that will just have to have one though. Doubt I will be one of them.
I just now looked around on 21 sharps after seeing this post also. Prob wont be giving it a try over my 22lr and 17hmr.
I at least see the advantage of the 17wsm over the hmr, but im glad i didnt invest in that also due to ammo quality and rifle options.
If winny could get reliable ammo and user friendly budget rifles in, say a 20wsm! Be a great little coyote and smaller size game rimfire round with 35gr bergers! That would be a huge $$$ maker i think! Hornady is all about new cartridges nowadays…maybe they will beat winchester to the punch!
I at least see the advantage of the 17wsm over the hmr, but im glad i didnt invest in that also due to ammo quality and rifle options.
If winny could get reliable ammo and user friendly budget rifles in, say a 20wsm! Be a great little coyote and smaller size game rimfire round with 35gr bergers! That would be a huge $$$ maker i think! Hornady is all about new cartridges nowadays…maybe they will beat winchester to the punch!
For ground squirrel shooting my 17 WSM is easily the first one I reach for so I'm a fan but I've said for years if Winchester made a 20 WSM rimfire loaded with something like the Hornady 24gr NTX shooting 3000fps I'd be the first one in line to get one and IMO it would have been far more popular than yet another 17 caliber rimfire. Same goes for the 17 Hornet I'm a fan and have two CZ 527's, but I'd have been a bigger fan if Hornady developed it as a 20 Hornet instead.
I looked at and fondled 17wsm rifles every time i saw one i wanted one so bad. My prob was that the 77-17 was too much for me to spend on a rimfire, and i about puked every time i cycled the bolt on a bmag. Couldnt get past the fact that you could rotate the bolt down before the bolt was forward, and EVERY single bmag i have ever seen had scarring on the stock from the bolt arm hitting it. Yes, with practice and building muscle memory its not a prob, but you shouldn't have to relearn to walk when ya get new shoes!
Glad its a go to for you though. I am jealous! No ground squirrels here in nodak, but many prairie dogs have been introduced to my hmr and 204!
Glad its a go to for you though. I am jealous! No ground squirrels here in nodak, but many prairie dogs have been introduced to my hmr and 204!
Oh yes, the whirly twirly flippy floppy fugly as sin bolt handle on the Bmag, they're a real peach aren't they and don't even get me started on those stupid looking barrel rings! Who in the hell at Savage thought those things would be a good idea to add?! Savage rifles can often shoot well but owning/shooting one is like dating a fat girl or having a moped, they're a lot of fun to ride, you just don't want anyone to see you with one. I did a fair amount of customizing to my HB SS Bmag before I'd take it out in the light of day and let anyone see me with it but you don't have to look very close to see what it is. I complain about the poor design of it but the one thing I can't complain about is how it shoots because in spite of itself the darn thing shoots really well.
WS, sorry for the thread hijack.
William Suter
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No worries about hijacking this thread. I post a lot just to get conversation going and keep this forum alive. It gets pretty slow at times.
Back to the 21, like others a 20 something would be a lot more interesting to me. The velocity ratings I saw/read and the heavier bullets just didn't get my interest up at all. I think maybe the designers were leaning towards that "heavy for caliber" trend we see a lot these days. I'm a speed freak. That's the ones that get my attention. I shot some 50 grain through my Ruger22-250 a few weeks ago. Granted they were "HOT" loads and weren't that accurate but they hit 4000 fps. I wasn't intending them to be that fast but they did. I'm kinda glad they didn't shoot that good. I know me, LOL!!
Back to the 21, like others a 20 something would be a lot more interesting to me. The velocity ratings I saw/read and the heavier bullets just didn't get my interest up at all. I think maybe the designers were leaning towards that "heavy for caliber" trend we see a lot these days. I'm a speed freak. That's the ones that get my attention. I shot some 50 grain through my Ruger22-250 a few weeks ago. Granted they were "HOT" loads and weren't that accurate but they hit 4000 fps. I wasn't intending them to be that fast but they did. I'm kinda glad they didn't shoot that good. I know me, LOL!!
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