22 magnum on coyotes

Hi all, just finished the Verminators. I was impressed with Rick Paillet use of video camera mounted on 22 magnum. I know most would agree 22 mag is pretty light for predators, He talked like he had been downsizing because of recoil on camera. I would like to hear others experience using this caliber------ please don't waste time telling me how bad this is, just pure performance from actually kills.
I am considering this only because of chance to video while shooting ! I have always used a 222, now a 223 so have plenty of experience with this size.
Richard Grantham
 
Richard, I have shot fox , bobcat and coyotes with the 22 mag using Federal 50 grain hp's. Good results on fox and bobcat but spotty results on coyotes. I have used a BRNO semi-auto and have been able to get a couple of shots in the yotes sometimes but I do not recommend this caliber on coyotes because they often run even after a good hit. I use the caliber only in wildlife management areas where you are limited to a rim fire. If you must use the 22 mag try the Federal 50 grains as they deliver more energy. Trajectory is not as flat but you don't want to shoot at much more than 75 yards for best results.
 
RICHARD,

Most would tell you that the .22 Mag is on the light side for coyotes. That being said, the same person would say that he shot his Whitetail with his .30-30. Reaction after the shot is sometimes very simlar between the two species using the afforementioned calibers.

Shot placement is the key element and I have enjoyed wonderful results with the Mag. Keeping distances at or near 100 yds on in with proper bullet and placement will yield a coyote "still".

Just don't expect a bang flop unless head shot. My furthest to date is 115 yds using the Win Supreme.

The 40 grain hp loads work real well! Good Luck!

Mudflap
 
The .22 win mag has intrigued me since I bought a Marlin in that caliber.

I know ...... many condemn it. BUT what I like is the mild report.

One first dog for a stand, it could make for less noise and allow subsequent dogs to approach less alarmed.

That's why it fascinates me.

Three 44s
 
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I have a marlin 22mag and I have used it to shoot two stray/coy dogs that were running my neighbors cattle. I use Remington Premier 33GR. V-Max loads and both times I was in the 75-100 yard range. While it was not a "bang flop" they didn't go very far before they gave up the ghost. Both dogs were just mutts about the size of a collie. Uppon closer inspection very small entry hole but the internal dammage was right on the money.

I havn't used this rifle to take a yote in fact i havn't had the chance to harvest a yote at all yet. But from what it did to the strays I would say that given the propper distance it should turn out to be a real nice little rifle for yotes in the shorter ranges.
 
i too am intrested in this caliber for coyotes.

so, which bullet has given the best results?? another question, a hollow point is the one that has a small hole in it?? and, whats the difference between Jacketed Hollow Point and Full Metal Jacket?

thanx!
 
Hi,if you reload you may try this I have found it to work very well.I use Hodgen "lil gun" and Nosler 40gr BT.Reloading Techniques: .22 Win. Magnum Rimfire
Handloading .22 WMR ammo is economical, simple, and offers gains in performance and accuracy over factory ammo.


When NRA Hunter Pistol silhouette competitors first began shooting the .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire (WMR), they found they could hit far more targets with the round than with their .357s or .44s because the recoil was so much lighter. Unfortunately, the 40-grain WMR bullets wouldn’t knock over rams at 100 meters.

Experimenters started yanking slugs out of the rimfire cases and replacing them with heavier slugs to give the .22 WMR the punch it needed to slay the rams. It worked, and the handloaded .22 Super Mags, as they came to be called, became the rage. Shooters widely used the standard 40-grain factory loads for chickens, pigs, and turkeys, and 50-grain reloads for the rams.

Then, two things happened that made loading the .22 Super Mag passé for handgun silhouette. First, Federal came out with its 50-grain load designed just for silhouette shooting. The real death knell, however, was the approval of the .22 Hornet for Hunter Pistol competition. Those two factors convinced many shooters to stop reloading for the .22 WMR—it was more convenient to buy factory loads.

Nonetheless, .22 WMR reloads still offer more velocity and better accuracy over most factory ammunition, and Performance Shooters should consider them to be viable options for pistol silhouette and rifle field shooting. Harry Howell, a College Station, Texas, silhouette shooter and longtime fan of the .22 WMR, was one of the early experimenters who used the .22 Super Mag, and he still reloads for his T/C Contender. Here’s an inside look at how Howell reloads for the .22 WMR:

The Right Shell Holder
The first step is getting a shell holder that will hold the .22 WMR case. You can make one by modifying a .25 ACP shell holder by chucking an empty .22 WMR case in an electric drill and coating the rim with grinding compound. While the case is spinning, push the .25 ACP shell holder over the rim so the grinding compound will relieve the slot in the holder for the rim.

Some .25 ACP shell holders have enough clearance that this step is not necessary. The RCBS shell holder I used in the testing for this article didn’t require this step, although some cases were very sticky and others wouldn’t fit at all. This is actually an advantage, so I didn’t grind the shell holder open further. Howell said that with his modified shell holder, only about 10 percent of his Winchester cases would fit, and that most of his CCI cases worked fine. In my testing, only about 5 percent of the Winchester cases wouldn’t fit, and I haven’t found a CCI case that wouldn’t fit yet. Howell’s shell holder is clearly tighter, even after his grinding compound treatment, than my untreated one.

The reloaded ammunition generally shows real gains in accuracy over the factory loads. This probably can be attributed to two things. First, the more precisely-made, aerodynamic bullet is set out further in the case; and second, the .25 ACP shell holder is tight. The holder acts as a rim thickness gauge, segregating out brass cases that might cause fliers. Rimfire shooters have long measured rim thickness and weeded out those that varied from the norm, and the holder does this painlessly.

I would recommend that you have a box of .22 WMR ammunition with you when you buy a shell holder and test a couple to see if they will hold the cases. Some shell-holder brands will probably require the grinding process, while others won’t.

Pulling The Bullets
Next, you need to pull the bullets. You should use a collet-type bullet puller in a standard press with your ammunition held in your modified shell holder. It’s probably not wise to use an inertia-type puller. These are primed and ready-to-fire rimfire cases we are dealing with here, and most hammer-pullers use collets that hold on to the rim. That would be like hammering on the primer, so inertia-type pullers should be avoided.

Most silhouette shooters used Winchester ammunition for their reloads. In my testing, I tried Winchester, CCI, and Federal brands.

Using a standard Foster collet-type bullet puller, however, I found it impossible to get the slugs out of factory Federal 40- or 50-grain loads more than about one in 25 cases. The puller would mash the bullets to the point of pinching the soft slugs in half before they could be pulled out of the case mouth. I did not have this problem with either Winchester or CCI ammunition. The collet, when snugged down tightly, would pop the slugs out so nicely that I have saved the slugs for possible reuse in my .22 Hornet. The brass, with powder intact, could be set in a loading block to await new slugs.

Howell said that he was able to get the slugs out of Federal brass by using an inexpensive pair of slip-joint pliers with sharp serrations in the jaws. With no die in his press, he raises the case to the top of the stroke, then carefully grips the slug with the pliers so he has a tight hold on the bullet just above where it meets the case mouth. He then lowers the ram on the press until the pliers catch on the top of the press, then lowers the ram, pulling the bullet from the brass. Howell said the Federal brass was thicker than either the CCI or Winchester brass and would bulge slightly after a new bullet was seated, often preventing the chambering of the round in his Contender. For this reason, most Super Mag shooters stayed with Winchester and CCI brass for their reloads.

Seating New Bullets
Once you pull the bullets, and with the charged cases in a loading block, you can screw a .22 Hornet seating die into the press. A .22 Jet or .22 Cooper die can also be used, and you can also use an old straight-line Lee Loader. Remember to treat the cases gently as you seat the new bullet.

Howell said the Super Mag silhouette shooters settled on the Sierra 50-grain Blitz ahead of the standard factory powder charge after experimenting with different bullets and powder charges. For the testing in the chart that accompanies this article, I used a variety of slugs just to illustrate how the velocity and accuracy changed in my Ruger Model 77/22 heavy-barrel rifle.

When loading some of the longer, pointed bullets meant for the .22 centerfires, many of the unfired loads will not eject from some rifles, and the Ruger was one of those. This is because the cartridge’s overall length prevents the ejector pin from working. The pin hits the case rim and attempts to kick the case free, but the bullet catches on the edge of the chamber and prevents the ejection.

While this is certainly not a problem at the range, it can be an inconvenience when hunting. You should experiment at the range before taking new loads into the field. The Calhoun 37-grain bullets, which have become a favorite of mine in both the .22 magnum and .22 Hornet, can be seated deep enough in the magnum case to eject. They will even function in the Ruger’s rotary magazine.

+P Loads
Any gun tinkerer worth his salt immediately starts wondering how fast the .22 magnum can be made to scoot if loads are kicked up a little. Knowing guns like Contenders and Ruger 77/22s are capable of handling greater pressures than those SAAMI specifies for rimfire ammunition, you will weigh the factory loads and then trickle a little more powder into the case.

The mere act of seating a bullet that is 25 percent heavier over the same powder charge, as silhouette shooters do with the 50-grain slug on a 40-grain charge, is bound to kick pressures up substantially higher. Adding powder really will raise pressures.

The limitation in kicking the velocity up into the range of the .22 Cooper, a virtual centerfire version of the .22 WMR that gets around 2,400 fps with a 40-grain bullet, is the rimfire brass case, which is thin and will only handle so much pressure. The bottom line is that you can only get modest gains before you start tearing cases up.

In my testing, the Winchester 40-grain FMJ loads held a charge of approximately 7 grains of a fine ball powder. My initial tests with a 37-grain Calhoun slug were with 7.4 grains of this powder that kicked velocity up to right around 2,000 fps. The accuracy of this load was better than any of the higher-speed (30 grain) factory loads—or any factory load for that matter—and the performance in the field is probably about the optimum attainable for this rimfire case. I did not have any case failures with this load or the 45- and 50-grain loads seated over the Winchester or CCI factory powder charge that had been loaded behind the 40-grains slugs.

Longing for an even lighter .22 caliber slug for greater velocity, I called James Calhoun, the Havre, Montana, bullet maker, and he talked me out of going to lighter bullets. After extensive testing with the .22 Cooper, Calhoun said he found the 37-grainer was the lightest slug for this diameter than would maintain good accuracy. He has tested bullets down to 30 grains.

“The bullets just started to get too short and stubby to have any aerodynamics,” said Calhoun. “We found the 37-grainer was just about as light as you could go and still shoot.”

This mirrors what most .22 magnum shooters have found: that the 40-grain factory loads shoot much better than the high-speed 30-grain loads.

The Benefit
Reloading for the .22 WMR is simple. It takes far less time than regular reloading for centerfire cases, and it gives measurable gains in performance. What you get for your trouble are modest gains in velocity, accuracy, and knock-down punch that make the round competitive on steel targets.
Nether I or this web site is respoable for miss use of this info. THanks Clint.
 
Welcome to the board slag.

Unless you are in an area that is rimfire only, I can't see trying to use a round that may result in not producing a humane kill of the predator hunted. My opinon is they deserve more respect than that.
 
I bought a .22 Mag last spring for hunting groundhogs and coyotes in the semi-rural area that I was living. I chose it over the .17 HMR because it's bullet energies were considerably higher at the ranges I would be using it. I have it zeroed at 75 yards. I got my best accuracy from Winchester Super-X 40 grain JHP's in the silver box.

It soon became my favorite squirrel rifle! Even those big, red squirrels drop right where you hit them and don't go scurrying off to hide under the brush.

100 Yard plinking is a blast! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I love it's sound from a 20" barrel! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I was sitting by some railroad tracks the end of summer squirrel hunting when I saw a coyote a couple of hundred yards down the tracks. I pulled out the mouth blown call I always carry and gave a couple of screams. He came running faster than any freight I've seen out there! At about 60 yards, he realized that it was a human he was running towards and hit the brakes. One shot to the head put him down right there - just a twitch of his tail was all that was left.

The .22 Mag is a very light caliber.....
Shot placement is absolutely critical.
Distances should be kept under 100 yards.

That in mind... it sure is one heck of a lot of fun! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

me!
 
Thanks for that post,

Fascinating.

As I read about the bullet pulling trials and tribulations, it came to me that a pair of horse hoof pinchers may help?

Now, I wish I had a Ruger in .22 mag. instead of the Marlin.

Like "me", I have my best luck with silver boxed Winchester ammo in the 40 gr. HP persuasion. It DO WORK! (varmints)

Thanks

Three 44s
 
I used a Winchester 9422M for jack rabbits for years and shot a fair number of coyotes with it as well. Called in close it will get the job done. Having said that I no longer use a 22mag. It just didn't prove reliable enough, I have killed coyotes with my bow but when you miss a shot or get busted, you just make for a smarter coyote. I have also shot several cripples, that I suspect were shot with 22's or 22mags.
 
thannks for the welcome. I live in an are where a 22-250/223/204 would work just about perfectly due to the open fields where a shot of close to 300 yards would not be totally unheard of but more than likely I am hunting in the small thickets and in the valleys that we have around and that will cut my distances down to the 75 to 100 yard range. so I feel the 22 mag should suffice for my needs. Now dont get me wrong I would rather be shooting a nice 204 but money constrantes kind of governs exectally what I can be shooting. With that beingb the case I have to work very carrefully to get anything in close enough to guarentee a clean quick humane kill. That is why I havent harvested a yote yet. I have got three of them in but I never take the shot unless I feel confident that the shot will be enough
 
Three 44s -

Some time in the near future.....
I'll be trading my Savage for a Ruger as well! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

me!
 


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