.223/5.56 subsonic loads for dogs

Great Dane or Poodle?
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I used 80gr amax with 4gr RL2400 out of my old hr single shot. It did pretty good out to about 50 yards. I'm not gonna suggest that. But you should look up trail boss. Most pistol powders will work if you don't blow your gun up lol
 
Originally Posted By: mt edI searched for, but did not find anything on this subject. Has anyone developed any sub loads for these?

if you're gonna download a 223 to subsonic velocity's, why not just take your 22lr out.

you wont have cycling problems & the ammo will be WAY cheaper to run.

i can really see supressing something in the 30+ caliber range and going subsonic because of the huge weight jump for thump on target, but in something small like a 22 caliber bullet... meh.

just my $0.02 usd.
 
1,126 ft/s at the muzzle will not give you much energy on target unless you use a big bullet. That big bullet also needs to be designed to work at these slow speeds. You would probably need a all lead bullet to do that. Your slower than most high velocity 22 rim fire ammo. Have you ever seen any copper jacketed 22 long rifle ammo? A jacketed bullet will poke thru like a FMJ at that speed.

If you do a search on PM search engine for Blue Dot loads, you might find a quiet load for loading down a .223 to Hornet velocity and noise. Through a can, they would be about the best of what you want. I have run around 11 grains with a 40 grain bullet. Won't cycle your AR though.
 
Question.... why are you wanting to slow down your .223 to sub velocity? are you going to sneak up on them and head shoot them at point blank range?
 
Any more ideas on this. I'm
Looking to do the same with my rifle. I don't have any trailboss available. I've been looking. I'm looking for blue dot or clays now. Wondering if anyone has used other powders decent?
 
Ive done it with both trail boss and blue dot. Great for rabbits and such but not coyotes.


did a reduced load with blue dot and 34gr vmax for fox. Worked good too, but not a subsonic.
 
This subject comes up from time to time and its a shame to have to tell those yearning for a Subsonic,, BUT, the 5.56 or 223 is a complete disaster. I like what richard50 said... If you shot a yote in the head at point blank, he or she might turn and bite you. And YOU would deserve it. It's a shame but the 223 has NO (none) knockdown power at the subsonic velocities.
Food for thought: Why do you think people spent so much time and money working on the 300 blackout?
When going for subsonic you need to think heavier bullets.

Brad Phillips ; James Calhoon did write up on some reduced loads and I have used and tried all I think. They unfortunately are not quiet and some are not subsonic. Good input though

If you want quiet and want to still be able to kill a coyote at 50-100yds go with a bigger caliber such as the 30s A 30-30 loaded with 115 grain lead bullets or even a 90 grain bullet and the real quiet is going to be a 220 grain with a small amount of Bullseye or Titegroup.
With fast burning pistol powders you will NOT blow yourself up. The 30-06 is another one that can load heavier bullets with small amounts of pistol powders and get mouse fart loads or cat sneeze loads. IMPORTANT switch to cast bullets. Less pressure.. A little on powders,, Titegroup is NOT position sensitive but Bullseye is. SO powder needs to be kept against the primer. So the school of Dacron is going to be a requirement. It don't take much.

Go to the castboolits.gunloads.com forum and do some searching. There is a lot of info on this and I will not try to share it all. Montanbulletworks.com has some good cast bullets for this.
Don't be afraid of Leading up your shooting iron. Proper bullets such as ones suggested and ones from Leadheadbullets.com do not lead up my guns. I have had some that do, and I just get a COPPER "chore boy " from the grocery store and cut off a few strands and wrap them around an older brush and swab the barrel several time. Lead come right out. For those who think that this will hurt your bore,,, I suggest to you to STOP shooting copper jacketed bullets right now.
FWIW BTW I have used a can on a 5.56 and it is quieter but not that quiet.
 
I just want mine for strictly playing. Not hunting with. Shoot with the kids and be able to talk to them without a bunch of hearing protection on.
 
Originally Posted By: nastynatesfishI just want mine for strictly playing. Not hunting with. Shoot with the kids and be able to talk to them without a bunch of hearing protection on.

i'll go right back to my 22lr answer. if you want silly quiet, put a can on it.

by the time you put even a cheap FMJ in the case mouth, and toss in a few cents of powder and 3-4 cents for a primer, you're at, or above the cost of many match grade 22lr offerings.

[edit] and you dont have to deal with any of the drama associated with getting good accuracy, powder movement sensativity or cycling in a autoloader.

 
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Perhaps he already has a can, and wants to keep it quiet as possible!?!? Why, why, why does a group like this, who apparently loves to experiment and learn new things about all things BANG, make such derogatory comments to a fellow asking a simple question? I think valid, EXPERIENCED comments are proper here (and there are a number of them above), and the snide stuff can stay in your heads. It does sound like from those experienced at such things like a subsonic 223 is not necessarily a consistent killer of coyotes? And possible tough to get as an accurate-enough load, even for short range coyotes? I would think an accurate enough load with, say, a 75 gr Amax or some such would be a penetrating, killing lungs/heart load, but almost def not a bang/flop load, on coyotes.
 
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