+1 as well, here... I am a "young buck" according to the old timer that I am "apprenticing" under in learning to load... He has recipe cards taped to every long range gun he owns, and learns drop the old fashioned way... shooting the round at 100, 200, 300, and on a couple of his(and my) guns, 400 and 500yds... If you are loading ammo, I find it more fun to figure out these things on my own, and have exact numbers for each round/gun I own.