.223 W BUILD

TXCOONDOG

TXCOONDOG

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Looking to build a 223 Wylde and need some recommendations:

1. Barrel recommendation that will provide MOA or better accuracy for 50-60grainers?

2. I like to use brass catchers and wondered if the brass catcher would interfere with a reciprocating bolt handle? If not, recommendations on BCG and receiver?


3. Who makes the flat bottom handguards?

Thanks in advance.
 
When I wanted a 223W for my Egg Shoot gun(20P) I put a BCA upper on mine and it has been flawless, I wish they would have had a side charger when I did mine. Reb600's brass catcher works well, I even use it hunting.

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Nice yote AWS. Thank you Sir! Is that a Magpul CTR stock with a riser?

I've ran BA's with a 1:9, 1:9.5 & 1:12 T's...will the 1:8 stabilize the 40 & 50 grainers?

I have a Savage SS Model 12 with a 26" bull barrel and 1:9.5 T and it loves anything between 40-62 grains. Since I run a suppressor, going with a 16.25" barrel with a 15" handguard and adjustable gas block.

I've had two or three lowers built out for a few years now and they need a mate...may also build a wildcat using 6mm bullets (maybe).
 
Yes I believe that is a Magpul stock, I had to turn the riser backwards as I shoot such a short length of pull that the charging handle would hit the riser.

I'm not much of an AR guy, in fact I'd grab just about any other rifle before the AR BUT, I won this one and there are no safe queens at this house so it has to work to stay.

I think the 6mm ARC would make a dandy short action (think Mini Howa or Mini Mauser), they both come with the correct boltface. I have a 6x45mm on a Rem 600 and I built in 2006 and retired in 2021 a 6mm-204.
 
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Originally Posted By: TXCOONDOGLooking to build a 223 Wylde and need some recommendations:1. Barrel recommendation that will provide MOA or better accuracy for 50-60grainers?

I just put together a new upper in 223. Because it was going to be for thermal night time use, I wanted speed over bullet weight. I ended up ordering a 20" X-Caliber 12" twist barrel, chambered in 223 Remington, not Wylde, as the Rem specs have .025" freebore. I can touch the lands with 40 BT's, 52 Bergers, and 53 Vmax, and still run them in ASC magazines. Accuracy and speed is outstanding!!!

https://www.x-caliber.net/ar-barrels


Originally Posted By: TXCOONDOG2. I like to use brass catchers and wondered if the brass catcher would interfere with a reciprocating bolt handle? If not, recommendations on BCG and receiver?
I built this upper on a Gibbz billet side charge upper, which does not have a reciprocating handle. I do run brass catchers on everything w/o issues.

I am a fan of Toolcraft DLC coated BCG's.

https://www.armorally.com/shop/toolcraft-dlc-5-56-bolt-carrier-group/


Originally Posted By: TXCOONDOG3. Who makes the flat bottom handguards?

Seekins. I have three of them, and I think they're the cat's butt.

https://seekinsprecision.com/sp3rv3-mod-rail-16.html


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TXCD,

I recommend the Bootleg adjustable BCG over an adjustable gas block if you are going to shoot suppressed.

It is a wonderful BCG. The coating does not wear easy and adjustments are plenty. I have been running mine for 5-6 years now.
 
Originally Posted By: TXCOONDOGLooking to build a 223 Wylde and need some recommendations:

1. Barrel recommendation that will provide MOA or better accuracy for 50-60grainers?

2. I like to use brass catchers and wondered if the brass catcher would interfere with a reciprocating bolt handle? If not, recommendations on BCG and receiver?


3. Who makes the flat bottom handguards?

Thanks in advance.


WOA barrels for 223W is hard to beat and are my first choice. 18" 1/7tw SPR contour with rifle gas is hard to beat and my favorite. Xcaliber is nice as well, I just have had so many different experiences with WOA that its hard to look elsewhere!

Not a sidecharge guy and not a fan of BCA products so I can't help there.

As for the flat bottom handguard, if its Mlok simply put a longer Swiss Arca plate on! Its mandatory for tripod work anyways and it's definitely flat!
 
Originally Posted By: Kino MOriginally Posted By: TXCOONDOGLooking to build a 223 Wylde and need some recommendations:

1. Barrel recommendation that will provide MOA or better accuracy for 50-60grainers?

2. I like to use brass catchers and wondered if the brass catcher would interfere with a reciprocating bolt handle? If not, recommendations on BCG and receiver?


3. Who makes the flat bottom handguards?

Thanks in advance.


WOA barrels for 223W is hard to beat and are my first choice. 18" 1/7tw SPR contour with rifle gas is hard to beat and my favorite. Xcaliber is nice as well, I just have had so many different experiences with WOA that its hard to look elsewhere!

Not a sidecharge guy and not a fan of BCA products so I can't help there.

As for the flat bottom handguard, if its Mlok simply put a longer Swiss Arca plate on! Its mandatory for tripod work anyways and it's definitely flat!
Another vote for White Oak Armory
A pro shop that puts out pro parts at honest prices.
 
Originally Posted By: BleedsBlue3 questions
1. are you on a budget?
I like to save where I can, but accuracy and reliability is king.

2. do you plan on shooting factory ammo or handloads?
I reload

3. is bullet speed a factor?

Yes and no. For most of my hunting almost anything will work, but I also like shooting steel out to 1500 yds. However, I'm a huge fan of the 243 Winchester with 1:10 twist for the balance of speed, flat shooting and low recoil for predator hunting. I also have a 6mm Creed that I use for shooting the 100 plus grainer class of bullets.

I hunt hogs in brush and use a 450 Bushmaster and 44 mag. In open woods, I use a 30 Saborcat (necked up 6mm dasher to 30 cal) and carry a 10mm pistol for backup. I also hunt hogs in open country and use a 308 & 6.8 SPC II.

For Whitetail and Axis hunting, I use a 6.5 Creed, 308 and 30-30 depending on the terrain.

I'll leave out hunting for rabbit, coonhunting (dogs), squirrel, doves, ducks, etc

To answer your specific question about this build:

I started P-Dog hunting a few years ago and use a bolt action in .223 with a 26" barrel (other calibers too) and looking to build an AR15 in .223 that me and my grandson can use for this and predator hunting.

 
Originally Posted By: Kino MOriginally Posted By: TXCOONDOGLooking to build a 223 Wylde and need some recommendations:

1. Barrel recommendation that will provide MOA or better accuracy for 50-60grainers?

2. I like to use brass catchers and wondered if the brass catcher would interfere with a reciprocating bolt handle? If not, recommendations on BCG and receiver?


3. Who makes the flat bottom handguards?

Thanks in advance.


WOA barrels for 223W is hard to beat and are my first choice. 18" 1/7tw SPR contour with rifle gas is hard to beat and my favorite. Xcaliber is nice as well, I just have had so many different experiences with WOA that its hard to look elsewhere!

Not a sidecharge guy and not a fan of BCA products so I can't help there.

As for the flat bottom handguard, if its Mlok simply put a longer Swiss Arca plate on! Its mandatory for tripod work anyways and it's definitely flat!

I use an arca plate on several of my AR's in conjunction with a bipod and tripod. I use a hog saddle and tripod for my bolt actions, lever gun, etc.

I like the looks of the flat bottom handguard and wanted to build a 6mm ARC and 224 Val just for the heck of it as I really don't need them.

I want to give the sidecharge a try to see how I like it and wanted to see who all made them.
 
Originally Posted By: arlaunchTXCD,

I recommend the Bootleg adjustable BCG over an adjustable gas block if you are going to shoot suppressed.

It is a wonderful BCG. The coating does not wear easy and adjustments are plenty. I have been running mine for 5-6 years now.

At one time, I looked at using a Rubber City adjustable (key) BCG but never did. All my AR's that have an adjustable gas block use a mid-length gas system and I use a long allen wrench for adjustments which doesn't take long.

Since I've never used a BCG with an adjustable gas system, what advantage would there be?
 
based on your criteria I would recommend a White Oak 24" with 1-12 twist if you do not plan on running a bullet heavier than 60 grain and it will allow for you to shoot bullets as light as 35 grains. the slower twist rate will also make load development easier and it will be less picky about factory ammo. (8 twist will explode light bullets at higher velocities)

remember each inch in barrel length equates to 25 fps in bullet velocity which will give you a faster flatter trajectory resulting in more take downs with less thought about bullet drop compensation.

3300 fps is easily obtainable with a 55 grain bullet.
3450 fps with 50 grain
3600 fps with 40 grain

get a rifle length gas system and forget about adjustable gas blocks.

as far as cheap barrels go, I've had success with an ARstoner/BCA 24" 1-8 with 55 grain spire points along with 27.5 grains of varget. it shot excellent to my surprise for a cheap experiment, but those barrels may no longer be available.

personally I hunt with a WOA 22 nosler 24" 1-12 twist using 6mm Hagar brass 55 grain spire point and H4895 powder. it shoots very similar to a 22-250 and flattens all coyotes with 1 shot and no runners. (search old posts for 22 nosgar)

you have me curious now, I am going to look into getting a 26" 1-9 twist 223 wylde with an extended gas system built so I won't have to search for fancy brass in the dark.
 
Originally Posted By: BleedsBluebased on your criteria I would recommend a White Oak 24" with 1-12 twist if you do not plan on running a bullet heavier than 60 grain and it will allow for you to shoot bullets as light as 35 grains. the slower twist rate will also make load development easier and it will be less picky about factory ammo. (8 twist will explode light bullets at higher velocities)

remember each inch in barrel length equates to 25 fps in bullet velocity which will give you a faster flatter trajectory resulting in more take downs with less thought about bullet drop compensation.

3300 fps is easily obtainable with a 55 grain bullet.
3450 fps with 50 grain
3600 fps with 40 grain

get a rifle length gas system and forget about adjustable gas blocks.

as far as cheap barrels go, I've had success with an ARstoner/BCA 24" 1-8 with 55 grain spire points along with 27.5 grains of varget. it shot excellent to my surprise for a cheap experiment, but those barrels may no longer be available.

personally I hunt with a WOA 22 nosler 24" 1-12 twist using 6mm Hagar brass 55 grain spire point and H4895 powder. it shoots very similar to a 22-250 and flattens all coyotes with 1 shot and no runners. (search old posts for 22 nosgar)

you have me curious now, I am going to look into getting a 26" 1-9 twist 223 wylde with an extended gas system built so I won't have to search for fancy brass in the dark.


I will stay under the 60grs (40's for P-Dog and 50's for predators) with this build and run heavier bullets with a longer barrel in the 224 Val build.

Thanks for your insight.
 
1. Odin Works 18" rifle length 1/8 twist 3 gun/SPR barel for bullet weights 55 and heavier. I wouldn't recommend 1/8 twist for bullets lighter than 55 grains. I know some 1/8 twist barrels do good or ok with lighter bullets, but not all of them do.

2. Bravo Comapny BCG and BCM assembled upper.

3. I can't really recommend a free flot handgaurd because there are so mnay to choose from and everyone has their own preference in what they want. I would say you'd probably want M-LOK over keymod for a good selection of bipod adapters as well as other accessories.

 
I my experience an 18", 1:8 barrel has been the best balanced setup. Currently, I run a 16" BCA 1:8. I get about 3050fps with 50gr Nosler BTVs and about 2950fps with 62gr Varmageddons. Both shoot well below one MOA, and pop prairie dogs at 300+ yards with no issues. I have an Aero precision BCG in a basic forged upper. Basic, no name brand gas block, off brand, probably Chinesium handguard and cheapest birdcage flash hider I could find. I wanted to see how precise an upper I can build with least amount of money. I call a sub-MOA for $400 mission accomplished. Hope this helps.
 


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