.243 vs .30-06/.270 on steel target

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Last weekend me and a couple buddys did some shooting I had my .243 and they had a .270 and a .30-06. We where shooting at a 3/8" thick steel coyote target at 200yrds. they where using factory ammo 165gr super-x in the .30-06, 150gr express cor-lokt in the .270.and I was shooting 105gr a-max's with 49gr's of retumbo in my .243 and where the target was'nt doubled I was punching strait through the 3/8" plate with my .243 and they where only denting it. I would have thought for sure they would have punched through before I would. Could it be the speed differance?
 
My first question is why were you hitting the single plate? LOL. More than likely the match bullet was tougher than their hunting rounds, Nice target. ed
 
I would be aiming at the silver part of the target and not the rest of the target. You were shooting at 200 yds and you missed the boiler room? practice, practice, practice.
 
A friend had some old plates of .5" laying around and we shot those at 75 yards and both my 22-250 and .223 would punch holes right through them. If you search the web there is information about steel types used for targets. Its interesting and reinforces the cover you should seek if ever being shot at!
 
Originally Posted By: tunered More than likely the match bullet was tougher than their hunting rounds, Nice target.

Nope, small diameter bullets at high velocity do more damage to steel than larger calibers at a slower speed. And a hunting type bullet does more damage than a varmint bullet.

For example; my 22-250 with a 55 grain bullet will put a crater at 100 yards in my 3/8 AR 500 plate, while a .270 with a 150 grain bullet at the same range will not even leave a mark.
 
On steel, velocity is what penetrates.

On game, that is not the way it works and in fact velocity works against you on game. The faster the bullets going, the more its going to break up and lose its mass.

Take a 308 and a 300 RUM, stick equal 180g (insert your choice) bullets in them and the 308 will outpenetrate the 300 everytime.
 
Originally Posted By: gonzagaI would be aiming at the silver part of the target and not the rest of the target. You were shooting at 200 yds and you missed the boiler room? practice, practice, practice.

I hit the silver many times but then my buddys said I couldn't hit the head so I had to prove them wrong.
 
Originally Posted By: LonnyOriginally Posted By: tunered More than likely the match bullet was tougher than their hunting rounds, Nice target.

Nope, small diameter bullets at high velocity do more damage to steel than larger calibers at a slower speed. And a hunting type bullet does more damage than a varmint bullet.

For example; my 22-250 with a 55 grain bullet will put a crater at 100 yards in my 3/8 AR 500 plate, while a .270 with a 150 grain bullet at the same range will not even leave a mark.

The 243 with a heavy bullet is the slower bullet[or equal of] of the 3 cal. So i dont buy the vel issue, i do agree the smaller dia. bullet will penatrate farther, so your 22-250 is a more powerful gun or what are you suggesting? ed
 
The -06 and 270 were shooting ammunition designed to expand in living tissue; when it hits hard (mild)steel it basically blows up and spreads the impact over a larger area. As designed.
Your A-Max bullet is a match bullet, designed for accuracy on targets not tissue expansion for a humane kill. The bullet construction acts like a FMJ upon impact. Even though it is an OTM it is not a hunting hollow point its an Open Tip Match.

I get terrific damage on mild steel with 308, 168 gr BTHPM (OTM). As sniper ammo the intended/primary target is the "Cranial Injection" who cares about expansion.

It's not a magic bullet it is a match bullet. Sierra manuals state their Matchking bullets are not designed for hunting. People do use them and usually track the critter a ways, unless they interrupt the CNS, central nervous system.
 
Originally Posted By: MongoSafariThe -06 and 270 were shooting ammunition designed to expand in living tissue; when it hits hard (mild)steel it basically blows up and spreads the impact over a larger area. As designed.
Your A-Max bullet is a match bullet, designed for accuracy on targets not tissue expansion for a humane kill. The bullet construction acts like a FMJ upon impact. Even though it is an OTM it is not a hunting hollow point its an Open Tip Match.

I get terrific damage on mild steel with 308, 168 gr BTHPM (OTM). As sniper ammo the intended/primary target is the "Cranial Injection" who cares about expansion.

It's not a magic bullet it is a match bullet. Sierra manuals state their Matchking bullets are not designed for hunting. People do use them and usually track the critter a ways, unless they interrupt the CNS, central nervous system.

Perfect answer, I tried. ed
 
I have a piece of 5/8 steel that I shot with an 06 and a 300 Win Mag, both at the exact same yardage and both with the same exact bullet in the same day same hour with in less than 5 min. of each other. The 06 did not penetrate but the 300 Win Mag punched a hole right through it.

How did the 300 do it and the 06 didn't Good question in light of some of the replies you have gotten.

DAB
 
Originally Posted By: tuneredOriginally Posted By: LonnyOriginally Posted By: tunered More than likely the match bullet was tougher than their hunting rounds, Nice target.

Nope, small diameter bullets at high velocity do more damage to steel than larger calibers at a slower speed. And a hunting type bullet does more damage than a varmint bullet.

For example; my 22-250 with a 55 grain bullet will put a crater at 100 yards in my 3/8 AR 500 plate, while a .270 with a 150 grain bullet at the same range will not even leave a mark.

The 243 with a heavy bullet is the slower bullet[or equal of] of the 3 cal. So i dont buy the vel issue, i do agree the smaller dia. bullet will penatrate farther, so your 22-250 is a more powerful gun or what are you suggesting? ed

You seem to be struggling to comprehend the fact that velocity and a small diameter bullet penetrates steel better.

And just so you will maybe understand it better the second time around, velocity is what damages steel. Hence, the reason I used thhe example of a 22-250 bullet doing more damage to steel than the 270 I compared it to. It has nothing to do with a "more powerful gun." Understand now?
 
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Mongo, talk to most people that actually hunt at long range and see what bullets they use. I would say a good 90% of us use match bullets. (VLD's, Matchkings, and A-maxes) With better results than any socalled hunting bullet that brags about weight retention. I've never understood why there is this huge bandwagon misconception about match bullets having poor results on game
 
Originally Posted By: LonnyOriginally Posted By: tuneredOriginally Posted By: LonnyOriginally Posted By: tunered More than likely the match bullet was tougher than their hunting rounds, Nice target.

Nope, small diameter bullets at high velocity do more damage to steel than larger calibers at a slower speed. And a hunting type bullet does more damage than a varmint bullet.

For example; my 22-250 with a 55 grain bullet will put a crater at 100 yards in my 3/8 AR 500 plate, while a .270 with a 150 grain bullet at the same range will not even leave a mark.

The 243 with a heavy bullet is the slower bullet[or equal of] of the 3 cal. So i dont buy the vel issue, i do agree the smaller dia. bullet will penatrate farther, so your 22-250 is a more powerful gun or what are you suggesting? ed

You seem to be struggling to comprehend the fact that velocity and a small diameter bullet penetrates steel better.

And just so you will maybe understand it better the second time around, velocity is what damages steel. Hence, the reason I used thhe example of a 22-250 bullet doing more damage to steel than the 270 I compared it to. It has nothing to do with a "more powerful gun." Understand now?

You are misunderstanding my point, the 243 bullet is NOT at a higher velocity than the bullets talked about, now do you understand? ed
 


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