270 or 30 06
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ninehorses
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30-06, 110-220 grain bullets. Either is a great deer cartridge. The 30-06 with 165 grain HPBT Sierra, with IMR 4350, is hard to beat.
Rustydust
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Long a .270 fan, I am convinced that it is a better all around deer cartridge than the old ought six is, but if I knew for a fact that I would be going on an elk hunt someday then I too would prefer the 30/06.
But living in a state where elk are taken and knowing many elk hunters I can say that if you place your shot well, (big IF) then a .270 will always do the job and do it well.
But living in a state where elk are taken and knowing many elk hunters I can say that if you place your shot well, (big IF) then a .270 will always do the job and do it well.
Hidalgo
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I'm like Rusty. When I was a deer hunter I sold two .30-06 rifles and bought a .270 for deer hunting. Loaded properly, the 270 is a better rifle than the '06. Shoots flatter, less recoil, and with the right bullets will consistently take anything up to brown bear.
To the OP: Everyone always says "with proper bullet placement" when we talk about calibers for certain uses. When it's all said and done, bullet placement is ALWAYS a factor and shouldn't even be a topic of discussion when choosing a rifle. A gut-shot anything won't die any faster with a .30 caliber than it will with a .27 caliber. Although the caliber must be capable of taking the chosen game, if you are choosing a rifle based on having to make perfectly placed shots you might want to re-consider your thinking. If you can't place your shots with reasonable consistency you need more trigger time ... not a better/larger rifle.
To the OP: Everyone always says "with proper bullet placement" when we talk about calibers for certain uses. When it's all said and done, bullet placement is ALWAYS a factor and shouldn't even be a topic of discussion when choosing a rifle. A gut-shot anything won't die any faster with a .30 caliber than it will with a .27 caliber. Although the caliber must be capable of taking the chosen game, if you are choosing a rifle based on having to make perfectly placed shots you might want to re-consider your thinking. If you can't place your shots with reasonable consistency you need more trigger time ... not a better/larger rifle.
Shoot what you like. There's not a whit of difference between the two. Shoot 125 gr. bullet in the '06 and ya got a 270. A 150 gr. bullet in a 270 and it becomes a 30-06.
For the reloader, the 30-06 handles a much wider range of bullet weights w/everything from 93 gr half jacket Luger bullets (really do a number on jackrabbits!) to 220 gr. (becoming) readily available at the corner Walgreen store.
The 06 shines w/the heavier bullets not available in .270.
Regards,
hm
For the reloader, the 30-06 handles a much wider range of bullet weights w/everything from 93 gr half jacket Luger bullets (really do a number on jackrabbits!) to 220 gr. (becoming) readily available at the corner Walgreen store.
Regards,
hm
MPFD
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Originally Posted By: hm1996Shoot what you like. There's not a whit of difference between the two. Shoot 125 gr. bullet in the '06 and ya got a 270. A 150 gr. bullet in a 270 and it becomes a 30-06.
Maybe recoil wise but BC wise the .270 wins hands down with both mentioned grain weights.
Maybe recoil wise but BC wise the .270 wins hands down with both mentioned grain weights.
The Famous Grouse
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If we're being honest, the main knock against the .30-06 for the OP's stated uses of deer/elk isn't really about the 06 at all.
Let's face it. The main "problem" with the .30-06 is that it's boring! Boring! Been there, done that, dad had one, grandpappy had one, uncle Bob has one, everybody and his dog has one. It's the Ford F-150 of rifle calibers. Boring, boring, boring. Nothing to see here, folks. Plain, reliable, no flash, no fuss, no muss.
Guys want new. Guys want different. We want latest/greatest. We want stuff that our buddies and fathers and grandfathers didn't have. Nothing about a cartridge that's been common as dirt for over a century satisfies these wants, so we invent stuff that does. And that's how we ended up with the .223 WSSM... Smile. You know it's true.
For a versatile North American big game cartridge, there is no "or". The 06 is king not because of theory, but because of reality. That cartridge, for a century, has done exactly what the OP wants to do. Over and over and over and over. It's over a century old because it WORKS.
Grouse
Let's face it. The main "problem" with the .30-06 is that it's boring! Boring! Been there, done that, dad had one, grandpappy had one, uncle Bob has one, everybody and his dog has one. It's the Ford F-150 of rifle calibers. Boring, boring, boring. Nothing to see here, folks. Plain, reliable, no flash, no fuss, no muss.
Guys want new. Guys want different. We want latest/greatest. We want stuff that our buddies and fathers and grandfathers didn't have. Nothing about a cartridge that's been common as dirt for over a century satisfies these wants, so we invent stuff that does. And that's how we ended up with the .223 WSSM... Smile. You know it's true.
For a versatile North American big game cartridge, there is no "or". The 06 is king not because of theory, but because of reality. That cartridge, for a century, has done exactly what the OP wants to do. Over and over and over and over. It's over a century old because it WORKS.
Grouse
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FairChase93
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I like the 270 because I have become a huge wimp and if I can do the job with less recoil I will.
if you take identical rifles, say model 700's, one in 30-06 and one in 270. Load each & hand it to me, so I don't know what I'm shooting, and I can't tell the difference in recoil.
Yes, I know on paper the 270 is x number of ft-lbs less, but in practice, I can't tell. I think it's as much a psychological advantage as anything. You expect it to recoil less, so it feels less 7 makes you happy
Yes, I know on paper the 270 is x number of ft-lbs less, but in practice, I can't tell. I think it's as much a psychological advantage as anything. You expect it to recoil less, so it feels less 7 makes you happy
FairChase93
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I geuss I'd have to have somebody do the test with me maybe. Perceived recoil to me is very noticeably different. I've shot plenty of both calibers but never in a blind test.
Rustydust
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Originally Posted By: MPFDOriginally Posted By: hm1996Shoot what you like. There's not a whit of difference between the two. Shoot 125 gr. bullet in the '06 and ya got a 270. A 150 gr. bullet in a 270 and it becomes a 30-06.
Maybe recoil wise but BC wise the .270 wins hands down with both mentioned grain weights.
Exactly. When bullet weight and shape stays the same and diameter decreases then ballistic coefficient always goes up.
And I don't think that I have ever seen a place that sold 30-06 ammo that did not sell .270 as well. Just too popular wherever I have lived.
Maybe recoil wise but BC wise the .270 wins hands down with both mentioned grain weights.
Exactly. When bullet weight and shape stays the same and diameter decreases then ballistic coefficient always goes up.
And I don't think that I have ever seen a place that sold 30-06 ammo that did not sell .270 as well. Just too popular wherever I have lived.
or it may just be me LOL
ninehorses
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You guys talking about BC...
Berger 210 VLD in .30 cal. has a .631 G1 BC
Berger 150 VLD in .27 cal. has a .531 G1 BC
Berger 210 VLD in .30 cal. has a .631 G1 BC
Berger 150 VLD in .27 cal. has a .531 G1 BC
tripod3
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Originally Posted By: The Famous GrouseIf we're being honest, the main knock against the .30-06 for the OP's stated uses of deer/elk isn't really about the 06 at all.
Let's face it. The main "problem" with the .30-06 is that it's boring! Boring! Been there, done that, dad had one, grandpappy had one, uncle Bob has one, everybody and his dog has one. It's the Ford F-150 of rifle calibers. Boring, boring, boring. Nothing to see here, folks. Plain, reliable, no flash, no fuss, no muss.
Guys want new. Guys want different. We want latest/greatest. We want stuff that our buddies and fathers and grandfathers didn't have. Nothing about a cartridge that's been common as dirt for over a century satisfies these wants, so we invent stuff that does. And that's how we ended up with the .223 WSSM... Smile. You know it's true.
For a versatile North American big game cartridge, there is no "or". The 06 is king not because of theory, but because of reality. That cartridge, for a century, has done exactly what the OP wants to do. Over and over and over and over. It's over a century old because it WORKS.
Grouse
I've had members here get after me with a vengeance for calling the 06 boring. Too bad cause it fits.
It has been a winner since 1906 and still is.
If I remember correctly there is a few pounds more recoil with the 06, but most including me would have a difficult time discerning the difference.
Let's face it. The main "problem" with the .30-06 is that it's boring! Boring! Been there, done that, dad had one, grandpappy had one, uncle Bob has one, everybody and his dog has one. It's the Ford F-150 of rifle calibers. Boring, boring, boring. Nothing to see here, folks. Plain, reliable, no flash, no fuss, no muss.
Guys want new. Guys want different. We want latest/greatest. We want stuff that our buddies and fathers and grandfathers didn't have. Nothing about a cartridge that's been common as dirt for over a century satisfies these wants, so we invent stuff that does. And that's how we ended up with the .223 WSSM... Smile. You know it's true.
For a versatile North American big game cartridge, there is no "or". The 06 is king not because of theory, but because of reality. That cartridge, for a century, has done exactly what the OP wants to do. Over and over and over and over. It's over a century old because it WORKS.
Grouse
I've had members here get after me with a vengeance for calling the 06 boring. Too bad cause it fits.
It has been a winner since 1906 and still is.
If I remember correctly there is a few pounds more recoil with the 06, but most including me would have a difficult time discerning the difference.