.308 or .300 WM or 7mm Mag

coyoteman23

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I have a question for all you long range shooters. I want to get into long range shooting but I don't know much about it. I have a Remington 700 VSSF in .223 and love it. I am thinking about getting a Remington 700 Sendero in either 300 WM or 7mm Mag or another Remington in .308 What would be the best for long range shooting and hunting. I am not going to be shooting 1000 yards anytime soon but I would like to be able to shoot 600 or 700 yards. The gun will also be a long range deer and antelope rifle later down the road. I don't reload at this time but I will be in the near future. Please help me out here guys. Thanks

coyoteman23
 
I'm also just getting into the long range stuff. After some research I bought a rem 700 vs in 308win. I really like mine. Its cheaper to shoot than the 300 or 7mm and the recoil is much nicer. You need to put many rounds down the pipe to get good at those ranges.The 308 will do a number on lopes and deer.I grew up shooting the 308 and We have taken many mule deer and elk with ours. I also have a 300wm and I can't imagine shooting shooting more than 20 or 30 rounds at a time with that beast. Another advantage of the 308 would be the availability of the brass. Brass prices have gone crazy lately and the 308 brass is much cheaper than most.
A good place to do some research: longrangehunting.com
ask this ? there or read the getting started section.
hope this helps
 
I'd do 308 for just pleasure shooting, but if you're incorporating hunting into the long-range equasion, I'd go 300WM, hands down. You want energy downrange. That means bullet weight + maintaining velocity at those ranges. 300 Mag, No question.
 
If you want to get into long range shooting, the first thing you need is lots of practice. Of the calibers you listed the only one that will give enough barrel life for the practice you will have to do is the 308.

Jack
 
I have a .300 Win Mag in a winchester Lorado that I have done a bunch of custom work to that I am getting ready to start working out to long distance with. I will probably add a .308 for just the reason that Jack said, Practice without burning out a barrel. You should realize that you will need a top end range finder, probably a weather station, ballistics software, spoting scope and endless other supplies to shoot long range. Premium optics will also shine here more than anywhere else you will possibly use them. Let me know how it goes, I'll be starting the journey to the 1000 yard line with you!
 
Given the way the question was asked, I would have to agree with the rest of the guys and say 308. Because you will need time to perfect your new hobby and the 308 is the way to do it. Then learn how to reload as you practice and with enough practice shooting and get some knowledge of reloading then move up to say a 30 cal. or 7 cal. Good luck with your new found hobby. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
Hey thanks guys for all the info.. It is a lot of help. I think I am going to go with the .308 and then later down the road and when my skills improve I will move up to the 300 WM or something else.

Another question - What distance would yall limit a .308 for deer and antelope? Just curious. Thanks again

coyoteman23
 
The range limit for killing a deer or antelope with a .308 will be determined more by your skill than anything else. With the right bullet put in the right place it will "kill" (not necessarily dead on the spot) a critter out past half a mile and probably much further, if we're talking just the effect of bullet.

In terms of placing it there, without having to do lots of trajectory and wind figuring, using a reasonably accurate rifle and a 200 or 225 yard zero, I would say about 300 yards. Beyond that the trajectory drop becomes very abrupt (the .308 is not a particularly flat shooter) and wind becomes very much harder to figure.

Work on your fundamentals like consistent gun mount to shoulder, cheek weld to the stock, aiming, trigger control, and position shooting (prone, sitting, etc.), how to use a shooting loop sling (Ching or military M1907), get some experience with range judging and crosswinds, and you will be able to hit a 10" paper plate at 200 and 300 pretty darn consistently. That should be a dead deer. If you can keep all your shots at least 1" away from the outer edge of the plate, that would probably do for antelope as well.

Either the 150 grain or 165 grain bullet will do the job. At 300 the 150 will shoot a little bit (an inch or so?) flatter than the 165, and the 165 will have about that same amount less wind drift than the 150. Boattails will help but only by a fraction of an inch, so, pay your money and take your choice.

Like Jack said above....PRACTICE! That is the most important thing.
 
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Thanks Pete for the info.. I have one more question for yall. I use to have a .308 and a .300 WM and I hated of much recoil they had. Both were light weight gun with standard barrels and if I got a gun for long range shooting it would have a heavy barrel for sure. My question is what other caliber would yall use for long range shooting say no farther then 600 yards? Something with less recoil then the .300 WM. I have never shot a heavy barreled .308 so I don't have anything to compared it to. The .308 I had was a Browning A-bolt Micro Hunter. Thanks

coyoteman23
 
308 /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif Without hesitation it will make a perfect 600 yard gun and you won't suffer the pounding the 300 Win Mag will give you through out the day of shooting. Once you have mastered the 600 then the 1000 yard line will bring it's own challenges later on.

A Remington Mil-spec 5R or a PS model will do everything you need it to do and accessories are everywhere.
 
Another option because your wanting to avoid recoil would be the 6.5's. A 264 win mag loaded with heavy bullets at modest velocities would be a good choice. A buddy of mine has one and the kick is much less than a 300wm. 6.5 swede is also a great choice. I will tell you though that a heavy barrel 308 is much nicer to shoot than the sporter weights. My 700vs in 308win is a pleasure compared to my brothers model 70 featherweight in the same caliber.
 
I was wondering this same question a few weeks back. My only concern of the listed calibers, was the recoil factor. Being of a small frame I was afraid I was gonna get pounded by the 308.

First shot, held it as tight as I could with a recoil pad on and took it off after that. Not too much more than my 25-06, I think I found out it is 2 pounds more recoil over the 25.

Mike


And I bought the Rem VS as well. Love it, 3 shots at 200 yards a touch under .75 inches and those are handloads.
 
.308, .300WM, and 7mm Mag in that order for starting out. I'd say a .308 would be good for deer/antelope out to 500 with practice. I'd go to a .300WM if you decide to go to the 1000 yard mark. I also know the 6.5x55 Swede is a popular round for competition. I think it would probably fill the bill in your question concerning a long range gun at 600 yards and in. And, I hope you start handloading 'cause I haven't heard of any long-range shooter not doing so. Good luck.
 
If your just getting started go 308Win.

BTW, A 7mmRemMag launching 162AMAX, 168VLD @ 3100FPS, or the 180VLD @ 3000FPS will stomp any compareable weight 30cal offering at the 1K line and beyond.
 
7mmRemMag, 168Berger VLD (BC of .643) @ 3100FPS
Calculated Table
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yds) (in) (moa) (in) (moa) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (moa)
0 -1.5 *** 0.0 *** 3105.1 2.781 3596.2 0.000 0.0 ***
100 -0.0 -0.0 0.4 0.4 2953.5 2.645 3253.5 0.099 17.4 16.6
200 -2.5 -1.2 1.8 0.8 2807.1 2.514 2938.9 0.203 35.8 17.1
300 -9.4 -3.0 4.1 1.3 2665.4 2.387 2649.8 0.313 55.1 17.5
400 -21.2 -5.1 7.4 1.8 2528.2 2.264 2384.0 0.429 75.4 18.0
500 -38.4 -7.3 11.9 2.3 2395.1 2.145 2139.6 0.550 96.9 18.5
600 -61.7 -9.8 17.5 2.8 2266.0 2.030 1915.2 0.679 119.5 19.0
700 -91.8 -12.5 24.5 3.3 2140.8 1.917 1709.4 0.815 143.5 19.6
800 -129.5 -15.5 32.9 3.9 2019.6 1.809 1521.3 0.960 168.9 20.2
900 -175.7 -18.6 42.8 4.5 1902.6 1.704 1350.2 1.113 195.8 20.8
1000 -231.5 -22.1 54.4 5.2 1790.1 1.603 1195.2 1.275 224.5 21.4
1100 -298.2 -25.9 67.9 5.9 1682.4 1.507 1055.7 1.448 254.9 22.1
1200 -377.2 -30.0 83.2 6.6 1580.1 1.415 931.2 1.632 287.3 22.9
1300 -470.1 -34.5 100.7 7.4 1483.7 1.329 821.0 1.828 321.8 23.6
1400 -578.9 -39.5 120.5 8.2 1393.9 1.248 724.7 2.037 358.5 24.5
1500 -705.5 -44.9 142.6 9.1 1311.5 1.175 641.6 2.259 397.6 25.3

300WM 190 Berger VLD(BC .574) @ 3000FPS
Calculated Table
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yds) (in) (moa) (in) (moa) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (moa)
0 -1.5 *** 0.0 *** 3005.6 2.692 3810.6 0.000 0.0 ***
100 -0.0 -0.0 0.5 0.5 2840.0 2.544 3402.1 0.103 18.1 17.3
200 -2.8 -1.3 2.1 1.0 2680.4 2.401 3030.6 0.211 37.2 17.8
300 -10.5 -3.3 4.8 1.5 2526.5 2.263 2692.4 0.327 57.5 18.3
400 -23.6 -5.6 8.8 2.1 2377.7 2.130 2384.7 0.449 79.0 18.9
500 -42.8 -8.2 14.1 2.7 2233.9 2.001 2105.0 0.579 102.0 19.5
600 -69.1 -11.0 21.0 3.3 2095.0 1.876 1851.4 0.718 126.4 20.1
700 -103.3 -14.1 29.4 4.0 1961.3 1.757 1622.5 0.866 152.4 20.8
800 -146.5 -17.5 39.7 4.7 1832.9 1.642 1417.1 1.024 180.3 21.5
900 -200.1 -21.2 52.0 5.5 1710.5 1.532 1234.1 1.194 210.1 22.3
1000 -265.5 -25.4 66.4 6.3 1594.5 1.428 1072.5 1.375 242.1 23.1
1100 -344.7 -29.9 83.2 7.2 1485.9 1.331 931.4 1.570 276.4 24.0
1200 -439.7 -35.0 102.4 8.1 1385.6 1.241 809.8 1.780 313.2 24.9
1300 -552.8 -40.6 124.3 9.1 1294.7 1.160 707.1 2.004 352.7 25.9
1400 -686.6 -46.8 148.9 10.2 1214.3 1.088 622.0 2.243 394.8 26.9
1500 -844.1 -53.7 176.2 11.2 1145.7 1.026 553.7 2.498 439.7 28.0
 
If you are really interested in longer range shooting, as opposed to 'normal range' hunting (within 300 yards), you will want a little more powder than the .308 case has. This will get you both shooting flatter and with less wind drift than the .308, or 7mm-08 for that matter. These are great rounds, but still they have a relatively small case.

If you want to shoot a lot (you will have to, to learn) and don't care to be kicked too badly, that leaves out the magnums, so think about what's in between - the .30-06 case-based rounds. The .270 Win. or .280 Rem. with the right bullets will do fine without too much kick. Especially the .280 with the fine 7mm bullets described in the posts above. With even a standard-weight sporter rifle it will be a comfortable shooter and should deliver extremely good performance out to as far as you want to shoot. If you can find a semi-heavy-barrel .280 and you handload, man you will probably be in heaven.
 
I agree with starting out with a .308 and developing your skills but for future reference.
1. A Remington Sendero in .300 Winmag and standard loads is a pussycat to shoot. You have to consider the weight of the gun and believe me ....it ain't light. Not your basic backpack rifle. I've shot light .308 rifles that were more brutal.

2. The Sendero is a great platform for a long range rifle without going custom.
 


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