.338 Win Mag

Centurion

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I'd like to hear from anyone who shoots .338 Win Mag, how you like the round, your experiences with it, etc. How far have you shot it accurately, your effective long range hunting experience with it ? Do you have any favorite sources for your ammunition? What are your favorite choices in ammo? I appreciate any feedback.
 
Alright, call me a pansy.

I bought a Sako .338 mag back in 1974 from a friend for $125, scoped with a Leupold and two boxes of shells to get me started.

I had seen him shoot cloverleafs with it next to me when I was shooting a .243. I should have paid attention to the way it made me flinch when he shot it. I was cringing anticipating when he was going to shoot.

So he gets pinched for bucks and tells me he'll sell it to me for a quick $125 which was all I had, heck my pay at the time as an E3 was about $350 a month.

I take it right out to the range to see how that thing shoots for me, I knew how it shot for my friend. The first shot like to tore my shoulder out of joint, so I wadded up an overcoat to use as a pad. Second shot was enough for me, I packed it up and went back to base. I saw a guy who was being transferred out to where he had extra money and told him I'd sell him a $900 rifle for a quick $250, he took it.

That's the hardest kicking rifle I've ever shot. Maybe it was because I was 19 and weighed about 185 pounds, I don't know. Maybe it was because I bench and hunted with a .243 a lot and was using poor holding positions I was able to get away with with the lighter recoil.

I wish I had that thing now, they are worth a pretty piece.

I've got another friend here in Placerville that shoots one he loads for, he says it shoots half an inch with ease, he took an Elk with it at 800 yards.
 
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I have used a 338 win mag for a lot of years. It has killed whitetails to wild bison for me The load I have used for the last several years is a 225 gr Interbond and IMR 4350. I tried Reloader 19 with this bullet and it shot just well also. Recoil is not real bad with this load.
 
I had a Ruger M77 in .338 a few years back. Bought it for elk hunting. When I used a sissy pad on my shoulder at the range I was able to get 3/4" groups with it at 100 yards with a 4X Redfield Widefield scope and Hornady 225 grain bullets.

After several years of ownership traded it straight across for a ANIB Savage 112 in .223 Rem. One of the better trades that I ever made.
 
Originally Posted By: woodguru
I've got another friend here in Placerville that shoots one he loads for, he says it shoots half an inch with ease, he took an Elk with it at 800 yards.

I call BS on that. The number of shooters proficient enough to make ethical shots at 800 are very few. Highly likely the elk could move between trigger squeeze and bullet impact. Hunter's version of "the fish that got away". Don
 
i am a small guy, 150 pounds. i have fired as many as 60 full power rounds in a sitting. no recoil pad, no rolled up jackets, and my rifle is light, 26" barrel that is 5/8" at the muzzle. it is unpleasant, and not for the recoil shy, but carries a pile of energy. my particular rifle shoots ok, but not great. after dozens of load combinations, the best i got was about 1.25" 5 shot groups. but for the intended quarry, 1.25" is sufficient. put a facing on bull moose on his butt instantly.
 
I have one and it kills really....really ....good, but I put a decelerator pad and a muzzle brake on it because it was BRUTAL on the should.It is a browning A-bolt 1st generation and its light. Now, its is very comfortable to shoot but you can still tell its not a toy when you shoot it. It shoves you but not that nasty pounding you take without the brake "Ouch".... All I ever shot with it is deer.
 
Kills on one end, and cripples on thew other. I shot a model 70 for two years in Alaska with reduced loads. When I moved south I sold it after one shot off the bench with summer clothe on. That was 45 years ago. I now shoot 30-06 and 308. With premium bullets they have never let me down on elk, and moose out to 300 yards. I don,t shoot unless it is a sure thing. Never had to follow a blood trail.
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This is what a friend says about a .338 custom rifle he's selling me. It sounds good to me--

"If you are interested a BIG BOY, I have a custom barreled FN action in .338 Win. which I've never gotten to hunt with. No scope, but I'd give you a really good deal on it. My FN is made in Belgium perhaps in the 50's. It was 30/06 when I got it, not new. I had it rebarreled in the 90's by ER SHAW of Penn, with a 22" bull barrel in .338 Win Mag with a buff blue finish as close to parkerized as they could get. It has a Ram Line stock put on by gun smith in Palmer, AK. I should tell you the barrel is heavy and it puts most of the wait in your forearm. That extra weight forward really cuts the recoil. Not sure of the overall weight but it's about a pound heaver than my Sako 06. You ask about balance, as I mentioned before, it has a bull barrel and more weight is forward than on a regular sporting rifle. The safety has a rather flat knob and hurts my thumb while pulling it on if used a lot, it's easy pushing it off. If I were doing a lot of target shooting, I would replace the trigger with a Timney or similar.

I presume a bipod secures to the barrel, I wouldn't imagine any problem. Or even attaching to the stock shouldn't be a problem.

This is a BIG cartridge and the more weight you add to the rifle the easier (less recoil) it is to shoot."

He also said it weighs just shy of eight pounds, he believes. Thanks for looking.


 
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In a rifle with a well built stock that handles recoil, the 338 Win Mag is a very shootable and accurate cartridge, both over the bench and in the field.
 
The 338 winny is my favorite big-game caliber. I got my first one, a weatherby Vanguard deluxe back in 1991 when I was 19. I've had at least a half dozen of them over the years. I've hunted Africa with one killing everything from impala to gemsbok and waterbuck. Henry Mtns. bison, pronghorn, mule deer, elk. I shot my caribou in Alaska with an encore handgun in 338 win mag.

There are faster and flatter big game rifles but this one works pretty great and puts stuff down hard. Just like everything else it kind of overlaps other calibers, a 375 doesn't make much sense if you have a 338 unless you're going to hunt dangerous game in Africa. But then I'd step up to a 416. If you have a 300 magnum of some sort you probably don't need a 338 and vice-versa.

I kind of have an emotional attachment to the 338 and plus I'm so heavily invested in 338 ammo/brass it wouldn't make much sense to switch now, even though I've considered a 338rum.
 

Centurion,

I'm kind-of like filmit in that I tend to have an emotional attachment to the .338 Win. Mag. Seems I've always had a love affair with large caliber guns, not that I need them per se, but I just like them. Owning a large caliber rifle is one thing, using it is another. I don't have grizzlies running about where I live, nor elk in a huntable population. What's the fun if you can't put it to some use, and who's to say you can't use one to deer hunt.

I've owned three .338 Win Mags. My first was a model 70 Winchester XTR, a really fine looking rifle, but it just wouldn't shoot well. I never could get accuracy from that rifle. I had it recrowned, free floated and tried a variety of loads to no avail. I purchased the rifle in hopes of one day going to Alaska. Many years later that day finally came, but I left the model 70 at home since I was not confident in it's accuracy.

Then I had a Remington 700 stainless with the composite stock. Again, accuracy was not what I was looking for, despite lots of judicious handloading.

In one final effort to own a .338 Win. Mag. that would shoot the way I thought one ought to, I purchased a new Weatherby Vanguard Sub MOA, which is guaranteed to shoot under an inch. This rifle has proved worthy of owning.

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The suggested load (target included from the factory) was with Federal Power Shok 225 gr. Soft Points.
The problem was, when I purchased the rifle, the ammo had been discontinued. I managed to find one
box and got it at $55.00. Ouch, that hurt since I'm used to reloading, but I wanted to try it to see if I
could get good accuracy as suggested by the factory. The ammo shot really well. I can't seem to find
a target of it, but I do have the load data.

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However, I wanted to find a good load with a premium bullet, so I tried the Barnes TSX 210 gr.
It shoots pretty darn good. I shot 2-shot groups (some will question that) at 100 yards, and
the average of the three groups was .77, so not bad and plenty acceptable for the type of
game a .338 would be used for.

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I decided to take the rifle deer hunting and see how the Barnes might perform, hoping it would
not blow gaping holes in the off side. Luck was with me and I took a spike buck at about 75 yards,
broadside and dropped it on the spot. That's the only game I have taken with the rifle.

The bullet showed very little sign of an entrance, and the exit was not bad at all. Now this is only
one deer, and I'm not sure if this performance will be the norm or not. The off-side damage is less
than you would expect from a 30-06 or even a 270.

Here is a photo of the exit wound. The photo was cleaned up (blood removed) to show the actual exit.
The exit wound was not touched.

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As you can see, it is difficult to see the entrance wound.

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As to recoil, the .338 Win. Mag is a real thumper. I have actually found that my son's CZ .375 H&H
has less felt-recoil than any of the .338 Win. Mags I have owned.

I've never got what I consider really good accuracy from a .338 Win. Mag.

Just for comparison, here's my son's CZ .375 H&H and a target shot with factory loads. These are
two, 2-shot groups while sighting in the rifle. I find the .375 shoots better than any of the .338 Win.
Mags I have owned.

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The .338 Win. Mag. is one heck of a hard-hitter, and has earned a reputation in
Alaska and in Africa. It's a fine elk cartridge from what I have read. I would love
an opportunity to give it try on elk one day.

While maybe my post seems to imply the .338 Win. Mag is not accurate, actually
it's plenty accurate enough for it's intended purpose. I just tend to knit-pick and
am too used to varmint accuracy perhaps.

Speaking of varmint accuracy, just for the fun of it, I suggested that my son take
his .375 H&H with us on a groundhog hunt. He did and took the first shot of the
evening at one slightly over 100 yards. The groundhog lost his mind!

Good luck.



 
I love mine. I'm not a long range shooter. Winny model 70 with a break and decelpad. Mine likes 180 gr vmax and 4350. Mine has killed deer, elk, wolf, bear, a bunch of coyotes and a few jackrabbits. The type/shape of the stock can make a huge difference in felt recoil.
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I used my first African safari as an excuse to get a .338. I don't regret it! Mine's a Winchester Model 70 stainless with wood stock. It has what many would consider an overly long 26" barrel, but it handles well. It's nicely balanced and probably weighs between 8.5 and 9 pounds all up. I toted it all over Namibia and South Africa and shot everything from jackal (like a coyote) to springbok (like a pronghon) to kudu (elk-sized). With 225 grain Barnes TSXs and 225 grain Hornady Interbonds it killed stuff without fuss.

I haven't shot it in several years, mostly because I like my 6.5x55 and .308 for North American game. However, I have absolutely no intention of ever getting rid of it. If I was forced to choose a single rifle for the rest of my hunting life, I'd have to consider it very carefully. If you're in need/want of a larger bore rifle than typical .270s/.30-06s, the .338 is a great one to start with.

I'm not real familiar with the FN you're considering, but look it over carefully. If it was originally chambered in .30-06, the bolt face had to be modifed to shoot the larger .338 case. Make sure there's enough "meat" left there to be safe.
 
Originally Posted By: UWYoteHunterSo I understand the Win Mag definition, but what classifies a round as a .338 Lapua? Don't mean to high jack the thread but I was just curious.

A 338Lapua, uses Lapua brass. It's more horses than a 338win.
 

That's a lot of great reviews! I'm going to be buying my friend's rifle, so hopefully I'll have a review of my own in the near future. The rifle has a 22" bull barrel. Here's another question, since it's apparent a bunch of guys here know a lot about this round... Is there a way to get a muzzle brake on this rifle, and if so, is it a good idea to help with recoil? My friend says that the rifle has about the same recoil as his 30.06 rifle. It has a recoil pad of some sort on it. Would a muzzle brake on it make my first shot another shot heard around the world? I know my AR15 makes a lot of noise with the muzzle brake that is on it, so I can't imagine what this will sound like. Thanks again for all of all the response. I don't plan on traveling to Africa, but I could figure out a thing or two to shoot here in the U.S., even if I have to travel a little to give the rifle a proper workout. I wouldn't be against using it on a white tail or two, either.
 
I have one and love it; what a gun and cartridge. Funny this thread came about, I just received some more ammo for it today. I’m going to try the 200gr Superformance from Hornady. I bought the ammo because it was significantly lower in price compared to other loads. I bought the caliber off a recommendation from a friend and have never regretted it. Yes, I had to take a pic of it. Also, the group below was three of the Win Supreme 200gr Silver Ballistic Tips at 100 yards. Regarding recoil, it will be more than most but look on the bright side: shooting my 30-06 is a cake walk now. You will get used to it after a few times at the range. I get away with around 30 rounds of 225gr before I call it quits.
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I figured out how to get the pics of the .338 Win Mag-- The wooden stock is original, and the synthetic stock is the finished rifle.

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That ramline stock will probably increase the felt recoil, they are pretty light. A good fitting stock and recoil pad makes all the difference in the world. Also shooting 225 grain and under bullets, recoil is much less than when you step up to 250 grain and heavier. The bullet weight makes a big difference in recoil in the 338 I've found.
 
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