.357 OR .44

90t

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I plan to buy my first real handgun. It will be used as acarry gun on a summer pack trip. I want to buy a 44 magnum
but do have some concerns that the recoil will keep me from shooting it as much as I should.I know that a 357 where it needs to be is much better than a poorly placed shot with a .44. So which one should I buy?
 
Go to an indoor range that rents guns we have several of them around here rent the guns and shoot them. Then you'll know and that's much better than a guess or taking someone elses first hand experience which could be much different than yours.
 
I have both and have carried both for over 40 years and for a summer pack trip the 357 would be my first choice. Nothing wrong with the 44 but it requires a larger, heavier gun to be manageable.

Jack
 
Check out the .41 Remington Magnum. Not a whole lot of factory ammo out there, but if you handload that isn't a problem. I'm buying one this fall.
 
OK,Here is my real real thoughts on this My heart and pride (tim taylor mentality) want a 44. But I also am a person that takes a great deal of pride in hitting where I want need to with all my other guns. I do have a Tarus 38spl. and dont mind the + p loads in it. Do I need a 44 or will the 357 be just as good because in theroy I should shoot it better.
 
Unless you are planning on backpacking in Alaska or some other place where they have some serious bad a$$ bears, you will be better off with a good .357 Magnum. You got oodles and oodles of fine .38 special ammo to practice with, and there are plenty of most excellent .357 loads out there that will go far to guard your gizzard against critters with two legs as well as four. Plus the .357 will likely be a lot easier to pack around all day than most bigger guns will.

Several years ago I would have said otherwise, as I do love the .44 Mag and I still own three of them. But for your needs, a fine .357 will do you no wrong.
 
You know, we all think bears, cats, wolves, ect... But in reality people are the real risk, just not as romantic to think about.
 
If I were you I would try and shoot someones 44 Mag and see if you are recoil sensitive to it. I would personally tell you that the 44 Mag is not bad recoil wise but I shoot a 454 Casull along with other handguns on a regular basis. Where are located? Here in Ohio a .22 would probably be plenty big enough for summertime carry. Are you using it to hunt with? The 41 Mag would be a good along with the 45 LC.
 
I would go with a .357 for a carry gun.Most .44s are bulky and they would get to be a pain after a while.And the ones that arent bulky would make for alot more recoil.Its really just preference though.If you think you would be able to shoot a .357 better,thats the one you should carry. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
I am in Iowa but will be packing in Wyoming this summer and Colorado this fall. I have never seen a bear outside of a zoo. But did meet a mnt lion while trail riding in the Black hills.
 
I would get yourself a .357 to pack for now. But, when you decide to get a .44mag choose wisely and get yourself a nice heavier gun. I bought a SBH Bisely Hunter recently for my first .44 and it shoots like a [beeep] cat. I shoot a maxed out 240gn SWC plumb full of H110 and wow is it accurate the recoil is noticable but smooth and certainly not bad enough that I can keep myself from shooting 100rnds in a session.LOL A guy at the range was shooting the same bullet but quite a bit milder than I was with a shorter 3" barreled S&W. and it was just punishing him. I shot his revolver and 6rnds was enough for me. I think in regards to the fun factor "Weight" makes all the difference with the fullhouse .44s.

Anyway, when you get comfortable with the 44 you can always trade that .357 in on a more compact 44 and have two guns that shoot the same pills. You can also spit 44 specials from it if you want.
 
Just the frame size necessitates a .357 for me.
I have a Colt trooper,two Ruger Vaqueros,two Ruger SP101's and a bond Derringer all in .357. The Sp101's are my go to guns. Once in a while I slip the Bond in my pocket with .38's for that DRT that isn't.
I haven't shot the .44's that I have in years.

Pack
 
I live in Wyoming and do bowhunt elk in some grizzly country. It is now legal to carry a sidearm in Wyoming while bowhunting with the catch being it has to be a legal hunting cartridge. The way that the law is written, in essence, makes the .41 Mag the smallest legal hunting cartridge so therefore the .41 mag is the smallest I can legally carry while bowhunting. I wanted something small, lightweight and manageable and since I dont reload, the obvious choice was a .44 Magnum. I found the 34 ounce 4" ported barrel Taurus tracker to be the perfect fit. Light, small, easy to carry and very manageble to shoot even with full house loads. My only complaint is the ported magnums are very, very LOUD. My thoughts on that though are, if you need it, how loud it is will be the least of my problems. At $479.00 brand new in the box, this was the perfect fit for me.

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I have both, and if the scenario was a bear charging straight at me through the brush/trees, I'd rather have the .357.
If you're just getting into pistols, buy a good, used Colt or S&W 4" .357 and a .22 LR pistol. You can learn 90% of being a decent pistol shot with the .22 and it will save you a small fortune. I think if you start out with a .44 Mag. you'll take a long time to get accurate.

But that's just my opinion. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
Unless your pack trip is in Alaska thew 357 is the one you want. While I love my 44 mags and personaly carry them more than my 357 the 44 is an accquired taste, I have been carring and shooting the 44 Mag over forty years. But after a few hundred rounds I do feel it in my shoulder wrist and elbows. Dang getting old sucks. anyhow a 357 with 125 grain JHP's will do for most varments you may meet in the back country I would keep some heavy cast loads handy though, just for them criters that don't understand get!!
 
44 mags are darn hard to shoot unless you practice a lot. I have been fortunate to have some darn accurate ones, but had to go through a few to get them.

The 357 Mag are MUCH easier to master.

Any hand gun that you tote on your hip gets real heavy after a while. For that reason, pay careful attention to the pistol that you buy or else after the first hike, you will leave it at home.

The 10 mm is on par with the 357 mag, and for that reason, a whole different set of guns are available to you.

You can go visit the site, www.gunbroker.com and find a wide variety of guns that will make your mouth water.

Good luck!
 
Go with the 357.... a well placed shot from a smaller gun will be more effective than a poor shot from a larger gun.... I carried a 357 on duty for many years before we were allowed to upgrade ..... and with being able to shoot the 38s you will shoot it much more, and if you reload at all it can be pretty cheap. I would NOT buy a new smith... we carried the 686 but the quality has gone down lately... the trigger pull is rough and unless you can do it yourself.. which is not that hard... you will probably not like it much.
 
You know you don't have to shoot full bore 44 mag ammo in a 44 magnum revolver. You can load it down or buy 44 special loads. Most of my handgun hunting has been done with a 255 grain cast gas checked lead .429 bullet pushed at 1250 fps and that's a very comfortable load to shoot and very accurate. Slightly hot 44 special loads deliver more energy than the 357 and give less felt recoil also.

The 44 magnum 5.5 inch Ruger Redhawk I carried and hunted with for years. This went in a nylon shoulder holster and was both comfortable to shoot and carry.

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For a woods carry gun I agree with Wyosongdog. I carry a stainless four inch 34 ounce Taurus 41 mag Tracker. It weighs the same as a Smith & Wesson K frame 357 (34 ounces) and carries much more energy than a 357 with factory loads. Of the 19 black bear I killed with a 44 or 41 mag with hardcast lead bullets I simply could not tell much difference in killing power. These all were run at around 1250 fps. A 255 grain for the 44 and a 230 grain in the 41 mag.

The 4 inch Ported 41 mag Taurus Tracker. At 34 ounces this gun goes comfortably on a belt or in a shoulder holster and is near as light as my stainless 22 Rossi J frame size revolver.

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I carried and shot and big game hunted several 44 mags over the years and the 44 or 41 mag is by far the best in the woods for killing power compared to the 357. I spent five years in Alaska and the rest of my 60 plus years in Idaho. Had one grizzly encounter in Alaska that ended up with a dead grizzle at the hands of a Smith 29 44 mag.

Another consideration is weight. You can comfortable carry a heavy handgun in a shoulder holster. Once that gun gets above 38-40 ounces it's to heavy to carry on a belt holster.

As a ccw carrier I use a Taurus 38 special ultra-light snubby that's carried in an Uncle Mike's pocket holster in a front jeans pocket. It simply goes with me everywhere all the time.

Here's my ccw gun. Less than 20 ounces and with it in an Uncle Mikes pocket holster it just disappears inside a front jeans pocket, leaves no outline and is always there. It's the top one. The second is the small frame 22 and the bottom is the 41 mag tracker to give you an idea of comparative sizes.

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That little gun is designed for people protection and carries Speer Plus P 125 grain gold dots. If I'm going to the woods, fishing, hunting or picking huckleberries or mushrooms a the 41 mag tracker goes on a belt or in a comfortable shoulder holster with me. It's loaded with Lee's 210 grain tumble lube cast bullets at 1050 fps. That load has killed several black bear and is very comfortable to shoot.

I've ran into very few situations in the woods where a sidearm was necessary in a self defense role against an animal, but those few times I sure was glad I had the 44 or 41 instead of a 357. It's hard to beat horsepower.

I also agree that if you are new to shooting handguns get a 22 rimfire in a simular platform as your centerfire carry gun and learn to shoot it. Those skills will carry over to all the handguns you shoot and good shooting skills are the bottom line regardless of what you carry in the woods. The little Rossi or a Smith J frame plinker is exceptionally accurate, fun to shoot and the extremely low recoil helps learn handgun accuracy.

Another consideration is cost. You can afford to learn to shoot a 22. Learning to shoot well with a 357, 41 or 44 magnum is near impossible not only from a cost point of view, but managing recoil and learning to be accurate even from a 357 for a beginner is simply one of the silliest thoughts I've heard of. This from being a handgun instructor for lots of years.

One more thought. An ultra-light 357 is far harder to shoot than a medium weight 41 or 44 magnum. If you don't believe that go to a range and rent and shoot one of the Smith scandium framed 357's.

Got a friend whom has one and he delights in letting folks that haven't fired one shoot it. He makes them shoot it on his lawn simply because most folks end up dropping it on the first shot. It's really not much good for more than a conversion piece. Of the dozen or so folks that have shot this lightweight 357 including me I've yet to see one whom wanted a second try at it.

The bottom line here is if you need a gun then any gun is better than none, be it a 22, 38, 357 or 500 Smith & Wesson.
 
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