40 S&W data needed
- Thread starter crapshoot
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Sorry no recommendation as to powder, and you may already know this, but, if your not reloading for a S&W pistol you can seat the bullet out a bit longer and reduce case pressure a bit. S&W magazines are too short to allow this but most other pistol brands will function fine.
Crapshoot,
What kind of velocity are you looking for? What firearm are you shooting this combo in? Is this a defense load, a light steel challenge load, IDPA/IPSC load, or what? I'm assuming the bullets are jacketed instead of lead?
Gimme some info and I can probably help you.
F1
What kind of velocity are you looking for? What firearm are you shooting this combo in? Is this a defense load, a light steel challenge load, IDPA/IPSC load, or what? I'm assuming the bullets are jacketed instead of lead?
Gimme some info and I can probably help you.
F1
ColoradoOsprey
New member
I got a couple of loads for "Clays" but not "Titegroup"
In my many(12)manuals nobody lists a load in 155 grain for "Titegroup"
Hodgdon doesn't even list 155's on their web site for 40S&W
In the Sierra Manual Edition V, 2nd printing, it lists "Clays" as most accurate with 5.2 grains at 1050 ft/sec and 404ft.lbs. with a COAL of 1.125" and a min and max of 3.4 grains-5.2 grains
It lists "Universal Clays" as a hunting load (more energy) at 6.1 grains at 1100ft/sec and 443ft.lbs.
I personally use "Clays" as it burns so clean you almost don't need to clean the gun after.
In my many(12)manuals nobody lists a load in 155 grain for "Titegroup"
Hodgdon doesn't even list 155's on their web site for 40S&W
In the Sierra Manual Edition V, 2nd printing, it lists "Clays" as most accurate with 5.2 grains at 1050 ft/sec and 404ft.lbs. with a COAL of 1.125" and a min and max of 3.4 grains-5.2 grains
It lists "Universal Clays" as a hunting load (more energy) at 6.1 grains at 1100ft/sec and 443ft.lbs.
I personally use "Clays" as it burns so clean you almost don't need to clean the gun after.
http://www.accuratearms.com/40.html
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WARNING!!!
In recent years it has become very apparent that there exists a situation regarding some pistols chambered for the 40 S&W cartridge. Some of the pistols currently available to shooters may not provide complete support to the case when a cartridge is chambered.
The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute (SAAMI) has established a maximum average pressure for the 40 S&W of 35,000 psi. The loading data published by Accurate Arms was developed in our ballistic laboratory in accordance with SAAMI test methods and equipment and does not exceed this figure. This information is safe for use in firearms which provide complete support of the case. Failure to fully support the case with cartridges of such intensity may result in bulged cases, ruptured cases, separated case heads or other consequences which may result in damage to the firearm and/or injury or death to the shooter and/or bystanders. This can happen no matter whose propellant is used.
If you own a firearm chambered for the 40 S&W, we recommend you contact the manufacturer to determine if the case is fully supported, or have a competent gunsmith examine the firearm and determine the amount of support provided the case. If your firearm does not provide complete support for the case, DO NOT USE Accurate Arms Company data or products to reload your 40 S&W ammunition.
This is the first time Accurate Arms Company has felt it necessary to place such a restriction on the use of our products, but the continued safety and welfare of the shooting public compels us to do so.
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I suggest you use extreme caution in reloading this cartridge.
thought you might find this interesting
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WARNING!!!
In recent years it has become very apparent that there exists a situation regarding some pistols chambered for the 40 S&W cartridge. Some of the pistols currently available to shooters may not provide complete support to the case when a cartridge is chambered.
The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute (SAAMI) has established a maximum average pressure for the 40 S&W of 35,000 psi. The loading data published by Accurate Arms was developed in our ballistic laboratory in accordance with SAAMI test methods and equipment and does not exceed this figure. This information is safe for use in firearms which provide complete support of the case. Failure to fully support the case with cartridges of such intensity may result in bulged cases, ruptured cases, separated case heads or other consequences which may result in damage to the firearm and/or injury or death to the shooter and/or bystanders. This can happen no matter whose propellant is used.
If you own a firearm chambered for the 40 S&W, we recommend you contact the manufacturer to determine if the case is fully supported, or have a competent gunsmith examine the firearm and determine the amount of support provided the case. If your firearm does not provide complete support for the case, DO NOT USE Accurate Arms Company data or products to reload your 40 S&W ammunition.
This is the first time Accurate Arms Company has felt it necessary to place such a restriction on the use of our products, but the continued safety and welfare of the shooting public compels us to do so.
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I suggest you use extreme caution in reloading this cartridge.
thought you might find this interesting
Crapshoot,
Try 3.5 grains to start with, just to make sure it cycles. I've been shooting Clays in my 40's for years. Titegroup takes about two tenths of a grain more than standard Clays to achieve the same velocity, depending on your barrel.
I would load 3.2 grains of Clays behind a 180gr Zero bullet to shoot GSSF matches. I started out shooting sub-compact with a 27, it's the only Glock I ever bought. I now own six.... five, complements of GSSF.
That load was pretty wimpy with the 180's, but all it had to do was put holes in paper, knock down 8" plates, and some lightly set pepper poppers. It should be really mild with the 155's.
You should like it!
F1
Try 3.5 grains to start with, just to make sure it cycles. I've been shooting Clays in my 40's for years. Titegroup takes about two tenths of a grain more than standard Clays to achieve the same velocity, depending on your barrel.
I would load 3.2 grains of Clays behind a 180gr Zero bullet to shoot GSSF matches. I started out shooting sub-compact with a 27, it's the only Glock I ever bought. I now own six.... five, complements of GSSF.
That load was pretty wimpy with the 180's, but all it had to do was put holes in paper, knock down 8" plates, and some lightly set pepper poppers. It should be really mild with the 155's.
You should like it!
F1
crapshoot
Well-known member
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Crapshoot,
Try 3.5 grains to start with, just to make sure it cycles. I've been shooting Clays in my 40's for years. Titegroup takes about two tenths of a grain more than standard Clays to achieve the same velocity, depending on your barrel.
I would load 3.2 grains of Clays behind a 180gr Zero bullet to shoot GSSF matches. I started out shooting sub-compact with a 27, it's the only Glock I ever bought. I now own six.... five, complements of GSSF.
That load was pretty wimpy with the 180's, but all it had to do was put holes in paper, knock down 8" plates, and some lightly set pepper poppers. It should be really mild with the 155's.
You should like it!
F1
Is this published data or an edjucated guestimation?
Crapshoot,
Try 3.5 grains to start with, just to make sure it cycles. I've been shooting Clays in my 40's for years. Titegroup takes about two tenths of a grain more than standard Clays to achieve the same velocity, depending on your barrel.
I would load 3.2 grains of Clays behind a 180gr Zero bullet to shoot GSSF matches. I started out shooting sub-compact with a 27, it's the only Glock I ever bought. I now own six.... five, complements of GSSF.
That load was pretty wimpy with the 180's, but all it had to do was put holes in paper, knock down 8" plates, and some lightly set pepper poppers. It should be really mild with the 155's.
You should like it!
F1
Is this published data or an edjucated guestimation?
reb8600
Retired PM Staff
According to my speer #13 manual
155 gr TMJ or GD-HP
Tite-Group
Max cartridge length 1.135"
Starting load--5.4 gr. Velocity 1011 fps
Max load----6.2 gr. Velocity 1144 fps
My Hornady 5th edition
155 gr. HP/XTP
Titegroup
Cartridge OAL 1.125"
Starting load--4.7 gr. Velocity 950 fps
Max load---5.7 gr. Velocity 1100 fps.
155 gr TMJ or GD-HP
Tite-Group
Max cartridge length 1.135"
Starting load--5.4 gr. Velocity 1011 fps
Max load----6.2 gr. Velocity 1144 fps
My Hornady 5th edition
155 gr. HP/XTP
Titegroup
Cartridge OAL 1.125"
Starting load--4.7 gr. Velocity 950 fps
Max load---5.7 gr. Velocity 1100 fps.
Very educated guesstimation tempered with mucho experience and chronographed data. Most of what we're shooting in our IPSC 1911's with 180gr bullets is in the 4.8-5.0 range. This usually puts us in the desired 925-950fps range. Remember most of us are loading to an OAL of 1.195-1.200 which considerably lowers chamber pressures from the SAAMI OAL.
You said this was going to be a plinking load, so I figured you wanted light. With a 155gr bullet, it would be very light. Just load a few to make sure the gun will cycle. Keep your thumb off the slide, or it might not! As was stated, this is way under published starting loads. If you want something more manly, you have plenty of room to bump it up. To my knowledge, there has never been an issue using very light loads of Titegroup or Clays and detonation. Believe me if there had been, I would have heard about it, and there would be a caution in Hodgdon's publications about underloading.
F1
You said this was going to be a plinking load, so I figured you wanted light. With a 155gr bullet, it would be very light. Just load a few to make sure the gun will cycle. Keep your thumb off the slide, or it might not! As was stated, this is way under published starting loads. If you want something more manly, you have plenty of room to bump it up. To my knowledge, there has never been an issue using very light loads of Titegroup or Clays and detonation. Believe me if there had been, I would have heard about it, and there would be a caution in Hodgdon's publications about underloading.
F1
Mavrick10_2000
New member
Crapshoot,
I know the other poster posted a warning about this. But man that's taking a chance. With a Para or Kimber I'd reload but not with a Glock. I have a 27 and my Buddy "Had" a 27. He reloaded mild rounds. About the third magazine "Boom". Not a horrendous explosion, but it ruined the frame, and smarted his hand a bit, fortunately no serious damage to him or anyone else nearby.
I love my 27 but it's my only firearm I won't reload for. WW Whitebox at wally world is cheap enough for me, with great results.
I know the other poster posted a warning about this. But man that's taking a chance. With a Para or Kimber I'd reload but not with a Glock. I have a 27 and my Buddy "Had" a 27. He reloaded mild rounds. About the third magazine "Boom". Not a horrendous explosion, but it ruined the frame, and smarted his hand a bit, fortunately no serious damage to him or anyone else nearby.
I love my 27 but it's my only firearm I won't reload for. WW Whitebox at wally world is cheap enough for me, with great results.
CCP
New member
I used 5.0 in in a XD with 155g bullets and it was a great shooter.Of course the XD was a great shooter with any combo.
I like the titegroup for plinking in all my pistols is is an amazing powder my unique,clays blue dot and 700x cans are collecting dust.The titegroup meters really well and temp and position doesn't seem to have any bearing so far.
This pic is out of the Hornady fifth Adition vol 1 pg 697 For a 155 grain bullet C.O.L.:1.125"