There’s one coming up on auction locally. It’s the stainless fluted flavor in the plastic or carbon stock (which has some damage.). Are they really as nuts price wise as the show on gun broker? It has the original box, I know it’s a bit of an oddball cartridge it that’s why I’m asking. I’ve gotten into reloading so I’m not overly worried there, and the research I’ve seen shows everyone who has one likes it. What’s one go for realistically at a small auction?
700 in 221 Remington
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AWS
Custom Accessory Maker & Retired PM Staff
Check prices on gun broker and a few other sites. Determine how much you want it and how much you want to spend. It is a neat little cartridge, easier to deal. with than a hornet. Remember that a 221 while a great cartridge can be duplicated by a downloaded 222 or 223 so I (personally) wouldn't put too high a value on it
William Suter
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Value depends on how bad you want it these days. I been seeing some outrageous prices lately and people seem to be paying them.
I just bought a CZ 527 from gunbroker a few months ago…in reality I overpaid, but with the current price trends being what they are I feel I got a fair deal on it. Ive wanted one for many years and am very pleased with it. I do not reload and ammo choices are very minimal. I won’t use it much, but I wouldn’t sell it even for a profit. It’s absolutely a niche caliber, and fits nicely in between 22 Hornet and 222/223. I say buy it, it’s a likable caliber for sure.
Coyotejunki
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Like AWS said it can be duplicated. I would spend my money on a good 223. Load light or hot depending on what you want it to do, brass is cheap and easy to find and it feeds and ejects great, the 221 won't always feed or eject well. This coming from someone that has had a few and loves wildcats.
Theshedhunter
Active member
Buuuuuuuyyyyy iiiitttttttt !
William Suter
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True it can be duplicate by down loading a 222 or 223.........but it isn't a 221 Fireball. Such a cool name for a neat little round. LOL Its only money, buy it if you want it.
Dultimatpredator
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If you have a 223 in your stable, I wouldn’t give a squirt of you know what for it. Exact same .224 bullets used in 22 hornet to 220 swift. The 221 fireball is going a couple hundred ft./ second slower than an 223 and like everybody said you can just download a 223. Imo it’s not a special round. If it was an xp100 id say BUY IT. If you have more money than you know what to do with and you just wanna throw it away just buy it.
William Suter
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I have 13-14 rifles from 22LR to 6.5 PRC. How many of these do I really need? LOL, that's why I said if you really want it, just buy it. I could sell most of mine and keep one or two and do anything and everything I need to do with a rifle. But what fun would that be?
This sounds like a LVSF model. If so it has a 1-14 twist. I shoot 40 gr out of mine with Little gun powder.
Does that Fireball look like this?
I can’t believe what those LVSFs in all chamberings are going for these days; for what I paid for my two (.221, .204R), I couldn’t buy one today. Back when I bought mine, it seemed they couldn’t give those .221s away. In fact, a gunshop owner told me that a Remington sales rep said they took a bath when their .221 Fireball in rifle configuration didn’t sell like they thought it would after it was introduced in the XP pistol.
I “rescued” mine for a very reasonable price, after it sat forlornly on the floor at a local Gander Mountain for over a year; if I ever sell it, I couldn’t in good conscience ask near what some sellers expect to get out if them today.
If that small auction has few bidders who really want it or plan to buy and flip it, you might get lucky and get it for a few hundred dollars. As neat as they are, I personally wouldn’t pay over a grand for one.
A fun, surprisingly lethal little cartridge that will pretty-much match a .223/40 grain bullet ballistically, with a bit less report (louder than a Hornet) and powder burned.
BCD 45
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Hey guys, I've got one that I've considered selling but it wouldn't be cheap! It's over 30 years old & still NIB UNFIRED - kind of UNBELIEVABLE!!!
And it's a beauty with a sporter weight barrel.
I bought set of Forster Bench Rest Dies for it + 200 or 300 brand new brass for it! (Lapua I think) About that time I had a stroke and just never
got around to loading for it, SO IT'S ALL STILL NEW!!! I'm ok now except for being semi disabled from shrapnel in my back & spine but I decided
NOT to load for it.
A few pics below. The last pic is NOT of my rifle but it is the color of my laminated stock!!!
~ Jim D.
BCD 45
~SE Tex.
Hey guys, I've got one that I've considered selling but it wouldn't be cheap! It's over 30 years old & still NIB UNFIRED - kind of UNBELIEVABLE!!!
And it's a beauty with a sporter weight barrel.
I bought set of Forster Bench Rest Dies for it + 200 or 300 brand new brass for it! (Lapua I think) About that time I had a stroke and just never
got around to loading for it, SO IT'S ALL STILL NEW!!! I'm ok now except for being semi disabled from shrapnel in my back & spine but I decided
NOT to load for it.
A few pics below. The last pic is NOT of my rifle but it is the color of my laminated stock!!!
~ Jim D.
BCD 45
~SE Tex.
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Dultimatpredator
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I wish Ruger would’ve chambered their new, super Redhawk Limited edition in 221 fireball instead of 22 hornet! A caliber with a shoulder on it that actually wouldn’t shoot inhered accurately versus a caliber that is a massive challenge to get to shoot halfway decent.
Dultimatpredator
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I remember that ugly stock.lol. I really like the laminates, but that black end cap on them drove me nuts.
.lol. One of my first predator guns that I actually liked and still have is a VLS 243 from 99’. I quickly learned how poorly it shot in the stock. After bedding and free floating I got the 2 to 3 MOA gun down to half inch groups. I quickly replaced the laminate stock with a HS Prescion stock that shot several of same .5” 100 yard loads into groups that meandered .2” at 200 yards. Sold that VLS stock off rather quickly even after bedding my 475 RUM in it. lol. Remington sure knew how to make actions and barrels but their stocks were less then desirable But nice to look at. I have my 375 RUM in a LSS sock bedded and free floated now. Groups are horrible. I’ll have to find a HS stock for it like I did my 300 RUM. It shrunk the groups down from 1 3/4” to .3”s. That gun is finiky with its pencil barrel.I forgot I still have one of the originals as well. A heavy barrel HR 223 that I bought back from one of my buddy’s kids after he passed away. Think I bought it in the early 90s for around 100 bucks or less new. Fun little guy I forgot about it until he passed away. I put a new optic on it and took it out and shoot it the same day and I don’t think I’ve shot it since which was a few years ago. Never did predator hunt with it. That’s just when I was getting into predator hunting and was doing more research than hunting. lol. Shoots one whole group at 100 yards with factory ammo and sub them away at 200 yards yet even with the crappy trigger. Fun little plinker.
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Eric_Mayer
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I did a rebarrel on a Howa Mini-Action. I sent it off to Shaw Barrels and it was done in about 5 months. I dropped it in a clearance stock from Boyds and am using the blind floorplate from Jefferson Outdoors. They also offer a version of their bottom metal/trigger guard that allows you to use CZ magazines. I use those on two .17 Fireballs I had done by Shaw. My .221 is very accurate and a lot of fun to shoot.
