788 Remington

The trigger pull seems high on my Remington 788. I am told that they are not adjustable. Is this true? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Is it worth putting an after market trigger on it.

Now the stupid inexperienced question....

In some previous links, postees said that the 788 Remington was a good second gun. Why? Is is a stature thing? I shoot a .243 round. I like the gun, but my problem is that I just want something else. This caliber seems to be stated as a "beginner round" and stated as an "all around round". Why? I don't have an arsenal of guns.

Now let me tell you about my area.... I live in Central Oklahoma. My range will be anywhere from within fifty to 350 yds. What is the ultimate Coyote gun for this.
Please vent your opinions! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
Rooster, I am afraind to take this step. But I am gonna do it. Please catch me if I fall. The 788 is a good quality gun. They are accurate, they are dependable. It does all you will need with out the glitz and glamour. I would gladly take one as my only gun if that was what I had. I have 4 safes full and others hid in the house. I will be hunting this weekend with a 308 Model 788. I just bought another 788 because I have no self control.

The 243 round- It will kill deer all day long and coyotes better than you could ask for. I broke both of my boys out with a 243 and a 6 mm Both in 788's. They killed every deer they hit and Some days I will take a 243 just because I want to try something different that day. I have never felt under gunned with a 243 for anything up to deer.

Ultimate coyote cartridge. I am not sure there is one. Here lately I have been using a 220 swift. It will reach out and touch them. I like the 17 rem too, but will get some disagreement on it from others. The 243, along with other 24-26 calibers can be listed as the ultimate combination deer/coyote cartridges.

Bottom line is if you have a 788 in 243 caliber, feel well equuipped hunting coyotes out to 350-400 yds and deer out to 250-300 yds.

This is just one mans opinion, but I am sure anyone that has ever tried that combination will agree with me on this statement. Randy
 
While I have never had a Remington Model 788 in .243, I have had Remington Model 788's in .223 Remington, .22-250 Remington & 6mm Remington. The Remington Model 788 was developed to fill a niche in the market for those wanting an inexpensive Rifle. They were / are a no frills, plain jane hunting rifle that quickly gained a great reputation for their accuracy. Some hunters really like the Remington Model 788 for it's detachable magazine as a Truck Gun. If I ever had a complaint with the Remington Model 788 it was the safety. The detent could use a little work as the safety is easily bumped off. The triggers can use a little work as well, and at one time Canjar did make a replacement for the Remington Model 788 (not sure if they still do or not). In short I wish I still had a Remington Model 788, and hopefully some day I will pick one up.

As per the .243 Winchester Cartridge, I have long been a huge fan of this cartridge. I am primarily a varmint hunter / shooter, that also happens to hunt Whitetail Deer each fall. In my opinion the .243 Winchester was developed for ME. During the spring and summer I shoot a reduced load with 55gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips loaded to a muzzle velocity of 3200 FPS. This load duplicates the Velocity, Ballistics, and Recoil of a .223 (without having an extra rifle, scope, brass, reloading dies etc sitting around). This load is also the most accurate load I have for my current .243, and will put 5 rounds into 5/8" at 100 yards most of the time when I do my part. My particular .243 does not shoot this bullet nearly as well over this velocity level. Not sure why, but think it may be due to the 1 in 9" Rifling Twist Rate.

When it comes to Coyotes I switch to Federal Premium V-Shok Factory Ammo with 70gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips. I am using the Federal Premium Ammo to get Brass and because I have not worked up a load with the 70gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip as yet.

For Whitetails I have been using Federal Premium Vital Shok Factory Ammo with the 100gr. Sierra Spitzer Boat Tail Bullets (again to get the brass). However this year I am in the process of working up a load for Whitetails with a 95gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip.

Basically I can shoot everything I hunt in a normal year with just one rifle with different loads. Ever hear the expression "Jack of all trades, master on none". The in my opinion that kind of sums up the .243. The point being in a Prairie Dog town a .223 would be more desireable. For Whitetail Deer a .270 may hit harder and provide a little more range. However I can do all of my shooting with the .243 with the loads I use and do all of them quite well.

Larry
 
For deer I shoot the 95 partition. I prefer to err on the side of over kill with the small calibers. In the smaller diameter bullets I want a bullet that will stay together for deer. You didnt say if you reload, and if not, you really should look at the Federal Premium brand loaded with the partitions for white tail. With coyotes any of the lighter bullets should do admirably.
 
I do not reload. I purchase all my ammo. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

My questions about the Model 788 is so that I can remain on the cool side when I talk to the postees in the Predater Forum. I don't want to sound like a dud when I am not shooting a Brushmaster, AR, or a full blown Contender with fuel injection. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

I have an desire to feel adequate in the rifle department. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
There isn't anything wrong with the 788...as stated above it is a no frills weapon....some people find no frills as unacceptable and unfortunately fail to temper their comments.... their shortcoming.

As far as caliber is concerned, 243 is just great for 'yotes... In fact, with the wide bullet weight selection it covers a very wide "critter getter" potential.

I myself use a 22-250 currently for yotes....17 Mach 2 for PD's at 100 yards and under and am working up a 223 for PD's over 100 yards...... Prior to having all those neat toys...you guessed it...the wifes 243 was what I was packing for 'yote hunting.

At any rate, yup, the 788 and 243 is plum acceptable....
 
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My questions about the Model 788 is so that I can remain on the cool side when I talk to the postees in the Predater Forum. I don't want to sound like a dud when I am not shooting a Brushmaster, AR, or a full blown Contender with fuel injection.



One thing about the guys here, they judge no one by their gun. It doesn't matter what kind it is or what it looks like. As long as your happy with it and it does the job you want.
 
I have two sons. Each has a 788 in 243. Neither of the boys has had a need for anything larger than a 243, and if they do they have access to a 30-06 and a 300 Win Mag. None of us reload so factory ammo is a standard purchase around here. For coyote, each of the 788’s likes something a bit. One likes the Hornady 58grain V-Max moly with .60 groups at 100 yards. The other likes Winchester 55grain Ballistic Silver Tip with .70 groups at 100 yards. Both guns like Remington 95grain AccuTip Boat-tails which the boys use for deer and which groups right at .50 in both guns.

Both of my boys are over 21 years of age and can afford to purchase whatever they like, but they both like what they have and have not had a single failure. But I must say, I have had the gunsmith work the triggers on both guns down to 2.5 lbs. trigger pulls.

IMHO, a Remington 788 is a fine hunting tool and the .243 caliber is a fine caliber for coyotes and deer.

Invest your time and money in improving your hunting skills and knowledge. It is a better investment that will last forever.
 
Rooster

Never be ashamed of your gun...just shoot it well and that makes up for a lack of checkering, awsome wood, coolness of the AR variants...

I have 3 guns I use, a box stock Marlin .22Mag, an old Savage 340 .30-30, and for the long long range stuff...a Savage 110e in .270. None of them are pretty, and none of them worth much $$...But when you pull the trigger and cleanly kill the critter, They are PRETTY DARN COOL...

We have the guns we have for lots of reasons...and most of us will soon have others...to add or trade to the ones we have...

The 788 in .243 is the coolest gun in the field if it hits and kills what your aiming at...If anyone says its not cool, ask them how cool it is when you show them the hides...

Thats the great part of shooting...there are lots of guns for lots of tastes and there are lots of shooters to shoot those guns...
 
"788 Remington was a good second gun. Why? Is is a stature thing?"

Yes it is, don't you know that if you have not spent 2000+ buck on a rig (short magnum of course) that the bullets just bounce off. Especially if it an "econo gun"

I too am not a big fan of the 243 as a deer round but with the right bullet and right placement it's fine.

But I am a good econo gun fan

I have a 204 handi that shoots under .5 (handloads)

A Stevens 200 in 270 that shoots 1.25 (just factory wait till I hand load)

Though I can't confirm this years ago I had heard that the reason the 788 was dropped was that they regularaly out shot m700 especially in the short actions.
 
Rooster Feather:

"Beware of the man who has just one gun...He may just know how to use it!"

The other postees have given very good information based on their opinions. I shoot Savage rifles because the four that I own are all very accurate. I can average .6" or less with each of them using handloads. All are stock guns with no tricks. Savage rifles are not expensive in any way, but I am confident with my ability in shooting each of them. If you are confident with your Remington 788, then that is what really matters.

I love to look at those nice, high dollar guns. I also understand the other guy's desire to have a custom made gun that fits like a glove. I have shot side by side at the range with a guy who had a custom gun. His groups were really about no larger than .25" at 100 yards. My groups were a respectable .550" that day. He told me he paid $3500 for his gun. I paid just $369 for my gun. I do not need the extreme accuracy that he has on his gun.

I have a .243 and use it for coyotes when I go to Wyoming. I also use it for Whitetail deer here in Virginia. I agree that it can be a versatile gun with the wide range of loads avilable.

Good luck with your shooting and hunting and do not worry too much about what the other guy is using.

Redhound80
 
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I have two 788's.

From my avatar, I guess you can tell I love 'em. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

The trigger can be worked, but you need to find a 'smith that knows what he's doing.

I did my own triggers, and have the one on my .243 down to 2 pounds with no creep, and no slam fire issues. It can be done...

I rebarreled my .243 back in March of this year with a light target Douglas 8 twist. I've hit groundhogs this season at 438, 540 (hit the same one twice at that range) and at 755 yards (flipped him end over end in the air with the 105 AMAX). And here's what it'll do at 1062 yards on paper--with randomly drawn brass and no special prep on the cases. (So bring on the 700's) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Prone from a bi-pod with rear bag...

Dan
 
In my opinion a 788 is a very good rifle.

If I ever come across one in good shape in 243, 222, or 6mm there is a good chance it will follow me home.

In fact if you watch any of the Randy Anderson Calling All Coyotes Videos, his good buddy, Glen Zink, shoots a 788 in 243 and he is one heck of a good shot and a very humble guy to boot.

243 is a fine coyote cartridge. I shoot one in a 700 ADL synthetic (another example of a no frills gun).

As far as loads go mine loves the hornady factory load with the 75 grain hollow point bullet, 3 shot group at 100 that can be covered with a penny, and the federal factory load with the 85 grain sierra hollow point, about the same sized group.

Mine does not like the federal load with the 70 grain nosler ballistic tip quite as good, but it don't exactly hate it either, 1.5 to 2 inch groups.

As a general rule my 243 likes most loads very well that are between 75 and 95 grains.

The most important factor is to be able to consistantly hit what you shoot at.
 
Rooster, do not feel inadequate for owning your rifle. Dan Newberry is a well respected member here and you can see what he shoots. In the 788 rifles I own two .222, two 308, one each in 223, 243, 6mm, 22-250, and a custom barrel job in 7x57 mauser. They will all shoot well and I am as proud of them as Any of the rifles I own. As several others have stated, the proof is in the shooting. I have a few fully custom rigs with nice wood and gloss finish. The customs are pretty and shoot bug holes. The animal at the other doesnt care what they look like.
 
Rooster, The 788 is a junky gun, and the 243 is a lousy round. Let me do you a favor and get ride of it for you.
Just kidding!!!

I personally think the 788 is a great gun. I still own one in .223. I traded off my 788 in 22-250 when I got out of college, 'cause I needed some cash. I wish I had it back. As far as the 243, I think it is a great dual purpose gun for here in OK. The bullet selection allows you to cover everything from coyotes to deer. As a matter of fact, a 243 is on my 'got to have' list.
 
I must say the 788 is a lousy rifle.

You will never feel adequate until you divest yourself of it!

It will cause you to go sterile and blind at the same time!

Remington dropped this junker due to threats from Ralph Nader (IMTOLD).

Just put it in a sturdy box and send it to me, I know how to rid the world of these parihah!

OK, just kidding.

The 788 is very good. I think that Canjar still makes their single set trigger for them. Mine wears one and it is absolutely grand!!! (Opps! did I just let the big cat out of the sack?????) The safety was mentioned and yes it can be nettlesome.

Fast lock time ........ accuracy that rivals if not supercedes the 700 all at a price that out competed the competition and their other pricier models.

Too good for not enough bucks. The 788, a victim of being too good for the money!!

I mourn its passing!

Three 44s
 
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Attached is a link concerning the Model 788 Remington. It discusses both the good and the bad of the 788 design. For a prospective buyer, it’s worth reading to become familiar with the rifle design if you're not already a loyal follower. Some of what he has to say I can buy from personal experience and the experience of others I have known.

In the past 15-20 years the 788 has taken on almost a cult following and some go for rather hefty prices in comparison to what they sold new for. They generally exhibit great accuracy, but they do posses some flaws for someone who shoots a rifle a great deal.

My first ever purchased varmint/predator rifle was a 788 Remington in 22-250. I bought it as part of a rifle/4X scope package for $119. It was what I cut my teeth on in reloading and varmint/predator hunting. I shot it a great deal, and over several years it developed the headspace issue mentioned in the link which is sometimes associated with .473" bolt face 788's. The load I shot in it was not a particularly hot load for the day and ran along the mid range in reloading manuals. Since that time I have owned numerous other bolt rifles in 22-250 and I have never experienced a similar problem.

Based on my experience and the experience of others, I feel that the 788 makes a great rifle for someone who is more of a hunter than a shooter, ie. the rifle gets carried a lot more than it gets shot. For a .473" bolt face cartridge, head space issues may be a problem with a well used rifle due to the rear bolt lock up. In the small bolt face cartridges, the 788 will probably not ever have a problem, especially in 222 Remington caliber.

To show the cult following part of the 788, about a year ago I went into a local gun shop that caters to the para-military crowd and found a used 788 in 6MM Rem complete with magazine for sale for $325. It looked in good shape and obviously had not been fired a great deal, so I plunked down my money. Almost as an afterthought while doing the paper work, the shop owner mentioned there was an extra magazines for the rifle and pulled out a still in the wrapper 6MM Rem mag that was part of the deal. It still had an original price sticker of $7.95 on the packaging.

I never shot it, and several months later I took the entire package to a large gun show and was quite popular when folks heard it was a 6MM. I sold the rifle alone for a good profit and then took the magazine still in the original wrapper to a magazine vendor at the show and he quickly tossed out $110 for the spare magazine which is very rare in 6MM caliber. He did not have the 6MM magazine about three months later.

So, I guess the moral of my story is that the 788 is a good rifle with a few flaws, but there are folks who see them as something worth plunking really good money down on. For myself, I would not own one with a .473” bolt face, if I planned to shoot it a great deal, based on my experience. Others will have varying opinions, I’m sure.

Also, I doubt I will ever see a deal again like the one I got on the 6MM 788. I still go into the shop regularly looking at his assault type weapons, but he hasn't had any 788's since then. For the record, as we were completing the deal, I told the gun shop owner that the extra magazine was alone worth a good chunk of the price he had on the rifle. He told me he traded for the rifle and extra magazine on terms that he and the previous owner were both happy with, he wanted to get it moved, and he wished me good luck on selling it all if I did. As a side note, I've received some decent deals on a few para-military type rifles I've bought from him, but never a deal like that one. Probably if the rifle had been in a gun shop more geared toward hunting rifles, it might have been a whole ‘nuther story. - BCB

http://www.charm.net/~kmarsh/788.html
 
Some of the critic's (in the link BCB posted) points are valid--but in large part are based on personal opinions.

On the headspace lengthening issue--that has never been a problem in any of the rifles I have dealt with, and I've never seen it mentioned anywhere--other than on the webpage linked. However, the nine locking lugs could create an issue of lengthening headspace if some were bearing on initial assembly, and others were not. As the bearing lugs wore in, the headspace would lengthen--but only slightly, and even then no more than a typical 700's would as the lug which is bearing batters a channel into the receiver deep enough to allow the lug which isn't bearing to touch. (And if you have one of the rare 700's which have evenly bearing bolt lugs, you've got a prize indeed)...

The author of the link is likely construing issues related to bolt compression with actual lengthening headspace. These are different matters entirely. The Gale McMillan blurb he links to references the bolt compression matter, which can indeed cause short case life for reloaders. However, if you're in the habit of replacing your brass on a more regular basis, this quickly relegates to "non-issue" status.

I had about 3000 rounds on my original .243 barrel of very warm handloads when the barrel began to regularly exceed MOA, and handloads couldn't fix it. I had Douglas rebarrel the action, and it's better than ever now. But in those 3000 rounds (and that's not counting the shots that whoever owned the rifle prior to me put through it) I did not note any trends that would indicate headspace problems. No seperating cases. And factory brass came out fine (length-wise) after the first firing. Some stretch is expected with any rear locking rifle. Rotating bolt semi-autos will do the same thing.

So, 788 bolts do compress, and they do allow cases to stretch a bit. But this isn't a headspace issue.

If there were truly a headspace issue tied to the 788 design, Remington would have withdrawn the design early on, rather than producing it for the number of years they did.

Rattly box magazine. Check. Yep. They do that. Guilty as charged. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif But if I'm hunting close enough for that to be an issue I use an iron sighted thutty-thutty, with a round chambered and hammer on half c-ock. You should too. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

The 700 bolt is certainly sturdier. But if you over-load a cartridge and lock up the action, then commence to beating on the bolt handle with a plastic hammer (as mentioned in one of the links), you shouldn't be surprised when the handle breaks off.

Here is where the 788's reputation for bolt handles breaking really comes from: Since the 788 has a tendency to allow case stretch (due to bolt compression) many shooters don't realize the need for FL sizing--or at least partial FL sizing. They then try to fire reloads which are too long for the chamber, and put undue pressure on the bolt to get the rounds chambered. I made this mistake years ago with the first 788 I ever owned. I realized that something wasn't right; the cases wouldn't chamber properly. I fired about forty or more rounds (sized and loaded without checking chamber fit /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif ) by forcing the bolt closed with a heavy hand. Big no-no. I'm lucky I didn't break the bolt handle off... But if I had known then what I know now, it would never have been a concern; I would have sized the cases better and all would have been well.

The idea that the ejection angle causes a problem with the cases hitting scope turrets seems totally wrong--at least in my experience. I have never seen this as a problem, and I've owned at least half-a-dozen 788's over the years. I have a low mounted Bushnell 10X Elite on my .243 788 now, and it has very large, protruding turrets. The cases never come close to hitting the windage turret. The author likely based this opinion on one example and branded the hoard by it.

It's an easy matter to impugn any rifle design one is not particularly fond of with a few off the cuff remarks. Model 70 fans bash the 700 all the time, with a list of "faults" that would make that Japanese web-writer's critique of the 788 pale in comparison. But that's okay, because the 700 fans have a similar list of things that are "wrong" with the Model 70. Then Savage takes it on the chin from both camps, but of course flattens them both at the shooting range afterward, so that's okay. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Critical diatribes are generally comprised of three elements: Isolated (then over-blown) truths, total fabrications, and of course personal opinions.

In the end, I think the best way to "size up" any item or design, is to simply ask for the opinions of others, and look for a consensus. If there is a predominant problem, it will quickly rear its head in the responses. Look back over this thread at the very happy 788 owners. Could we all be wrong?

Dan
 


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