Advice on an ARi15 purchase

Russdogg91

Russdogg91

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I am buying a new AR and have narrowed my choices down to 2. My dealer has a Colt LE6920 that I can get for $1050 and I would probably add a rail system and a few things for my liking. My other choice is a Ruger SR556 that I can get for $1400 and is set up the way I would want it. I know that the Colt is obviously quality, but my question is does anyone suggest the ruger because I really like it but don't know much about its quality.Thanks for any advice.
 
They are both great guns. Colt is just a name. there are only a couple companies that manufacture the parts and stamp whatever name on them. I would look into the Rock River Arms as well. The featurs you get with a production gun for the price is unmatched imo. I have 4 of them right now and they are the best ar's I have owned to date.
 
I really liked that SR-556, but it's a piston gun.
check out the cost of uppers for that first.

I didn't like the colt le, after fondling it I felt that you were paying a lot for that name and LE designation. The fit and finish was lacking to some others that I fondled. I have no brand loyalties so I fondled them all.

I also didn't like the windham guns, DPMS or ATI or del ton.

I landed on a SIG SAUER M400 enhanced from walmart for $917, I felt fit and finish was as good or better than any of them and it had a few things I liked some of the others didn't.
check them all out,one will call your name.
 
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You can build a better shooting rifle than either for $1050. Get a complete upper and then put the lower together yourself. The only special tools you will need is a you tube video, a hammer and small punch. I have done it twice now and have 2 ARs that will shoot .5 MOA if I do my part.
 
The Colt is true Milspec quality. The same rifle the guys and gals in the military get. That is important quality to some people. I'm not a fan of the piston AR's but to each his own. The Sig's are good rifles at a fair price. You can build rifles for less but it depends on what you want and the quality of parts. Can you run it hard and put it away wet? An important question you should consider. kwg
 
Originally Posted By: dannysdaddyThey are both great guns. Colt is just a name. there are only a couple companies that manufacture the parts and stamp whatever name on them. I would look into the Rock River Arms as well. The featurs you get with a production gun for the price is unmatched imo. I have 4 of them right now and they are the best ar's I have owned to date.

That is the biggest whopper I have heard all day. So BMW is just a name get a Yugo instead. I bet Lance Armstrong rides a Huffy, right?

What sets Colt apart from Rock River and many other manufacturers is that Colt rifles and parts are manufactured to a known quality standard.

You are correct in stating that Colt contracts with many other companies for components. The difference is in the quality control and adherence to measurable standards.

For example Aero Precision has produced lower receivers for many manufactures including Colt. However Aero does not make one receiver for all companies. Colt sends out a set of standards and specs for Aero to follow. Parts that do not meet standard are not accepted. Those standards in regards to material, hardness, dimensions and receiver wall thickness are quite different between Colt and RRA. RRA sources to a lower standard and uses parts that would fail quality control tests used by Colt and other high quality manufacturers.

OP I would suggest the Colt as it is high quality and does not use any proprietary parts like you will find with Ruger's piston rifle.
 
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dannysdaddy said:
For example Aero Precision has produced lower receivers for many manufactures including Colt. However Aero does not make one receiver for all companies. Colt sends out a set of standards and specs for Aero to follow. Parts that do not meet standard are not accepted. Those standards in regards to material, hardness, dimensions and receiver wall thickness are quite different between Colt and RRA. RRA sources to a lower standard and uses parts that would fail quality control tests used by Colt and other high quality manufacturers.



I look forward to your detailed analysis on how Aero changes material blanks and machining specs depending on what rollmark goes on it. I'm also curious if you can quote how many fail the Colt standard and end up with RRA on it.
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Originally Posted By: ShoesOriginally Posted By: mj36639
dannysdaddy said:
For example Aero Precision has produced lower receivers for many manufactures including Colt. However Aero does not make one receiver for all companies. Colt sends out a set of standards and specs for Aero to follow. Parts that do not meet standard are not accepted. Those standards in regards to material, hardness, dimensions and receiver wall thickness are quite different between Colt and RRA. RRA sources to a lower standard and uses parts that would fail quality control tests used by Colt and other high quality manufacturers.



I look forward to your detailed analysis on how Aero changes material blanks and machining specs depending on what rollmark goes on it. I'm also curious if you can quote how many fail the Colt standard and end up with RRA on it.

It sounds like you have no familiarity with the OEM business or how those operations work. Machining specs are a simple program change by the CNC programmer, lol.

I worked for a well known manufacturer that sourced many different types of billet aluminum directly from Alcoa. My company also sourced some high quality intricate components from other manufacturers. Like Colt AR's these systems were required to meet a military specification thus the failure rate on the OEM parts was as high as 50% although typically much lower.

RRA has no one knocking on their door when it comes to filling large agency orders for rifles made to a high quality standard. They would love it but they can't do it.

It's the same reason you don't see our military using Bushnell scopes. If you believe that there is no difference between a Colt and RRA then you also probably believe there is not a bit of difference between Leupold and Schmidt & Bender scopes versus a Bushnell or a Leapers. Hey they are both scopes with glass lenses, right?If that's the case then there is no point in trying to educate someone who has no interest in learning.
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I think I'm leaning away from the ruger. Someone pointed out to me today that if there ever were a ban on AR's(wich I think might happen) and ruger ever stopped making or supporting that design then parts might be impossible to get. So I'm leaning towards the colt and am actually looking at a daniel defense V7 but that gun might be a bit too pricey for me.Great info guys, I really appreciate it.
 
Originally Posted By: mj36639Originally Posted By: ShoesOriginally Posted By: mj36639
dannysdaddy said:
For example Aero Precision has produced lower receivers for many manufactures including Colt. However Aero does not make one receiver for all companies. Colt sends out a set of standards and specs for Aero to follow. Parts that do not meet standard are not accepted. Those standards in regards to material, hardness, dimensions and receiver wall thickness are quite different between Colt and RRA. RRA sources to a lower standard and uses parts that would fail quality control tests used by Colt and other high quality manufacturers.



I look forward to your detailed analysis on how Aero changes material blanks and machining specs depending on what rollmark goes on it. I'm also curious if you can quote how many fail the Colt standard and end up with RRA on it.

It sounds like you have no familiarity with the OEM business or how those operations work. Machining specs are a simple program change by the CNC programmer, lol.

I worked for a well known manufacturer that sourced many different types of billet aluminum directly from Alcoa. My company also sourced some high quality intricate components from other manufacturers. Like Colt AR's these systems were required to meet a military specification thus the failure rate on the OEM parts was as high as 50% although typically much lower.

RRA has no one knocking on their door when it comes to filling large agency orders for rifles made to a high quality standard. They would love it but they can't do it.

It's the same reason you don't see our military using Bushnell scopes. If you believe that there is no difference between a Colt and RRA then you also probably believe there is not a bit of difference between Leupold and Schmidt & Bender scopes versus a Bushnell or a Leapers. Hey they are both scopes with glass lenses, right?If that's the case then there is no point in trying to educate someone who has no interest in learning.

Great, so why would the program change between rollmarks? If you worked in the business, this should be very easy for you to explain....

The DEA is pretty large...
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Originally Posted By: filmitIs there an ignore button on this site so I don't have to read any more B.S. from mj.

yes there is... view their profile then click "ignore this user"
 
Originally Posted By: filmitIs there an ignore button on this site so I don't have to read any more B.S. from mj.


Knowledge = BS. Hmmn interesting idea. What's next book burning?
 
Originally Posted By: mj36639Originally Posted By: filmitIs there an ignore button on this site so I don't have to read any more B.S. from mj.


Knowledge = BS. Hmmn interesting idea. What's next book burning?

No, I wouldn't burn books. It would be bad for business, since I write and publish books for a living. But I will put you on ignore because I've yet to hear any knowledge from you.
 
Originally Posted By: filmitOriginally Posted By: mj36639Originally Posted By: filmitIs there an ignore button on this site so I don't have to read any more B.S. from mj.


Knowledge = BS. Hmmn interesting idea. What's next book burning?

No, I wouldn't burn books. It would be bad for business, since I write and publish books for a living. But I will put you on ignore because I've yet to hear any knowledge from you.

Might be time for you to visit an ENT Doc then as the problem appears to be on your end.
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C'mon guys,,,It's too early in the morning for me to start deleting posts... If you can't stay on the original post subject, I'll lock this down and delete tonight...
 
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