Anybody make a Wolf Howler?

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snowcamoman

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I may have posted this question some time ago, but I figured I'd try again to see if anybody has input on this one. I've been searching for a Wolf Howler for some time now and cannot for the life of me find one. It seems as though it might be a tough one to make with any type of reed. I have a horn that I can mouth howl into and it works alright, but doesn't have the volume/range I'm hoping for. The big speaker on the FoxPro and WT have much better output than I can hope to get with my mouth, but maybe there's some type of reed setup that can get more range. If there's a custom builder out there who has this one solved or would like to take a crack at it, please let me know and I'd be more than happy to hear the idea and purchase a call. Thanks for any and all help.
 
The horn I have is from Rich Cronk and it works pretty good, I was just hoping to get something with a Reed in it or similar to crank up the volume more than my throat. I don't think I've seen Yellerdog's, I'll check that out. Thanks for the help.
 
I purchased a nice waterbuffalo horn wolf howler from Yellerdog.I am not a good howler but it is a nice call.If brad has one i would like to see it though PimC.
 
snowcamoman,
I don't think that a standard open reed voice is going to cut it for a good realistic wolf howl. I have made a few that seem to locate wolves alright, but the actual realistic wolf tone just isn't quite right. What I am going to say next will raise some eyebrows. Those latex reeded power howlers from ELK products. It is no secret that I think they suck as coyote howlers, but they just may be the answer for wolf howlers. I have never blown one of those power howlers myself, and probably never will. You could stick a power howler on that big horn you have, and give it a try. Let us know how it works out. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
I am working on a wolf howler for Tom H now. I will be using the ELK mouth piece and a diffrent band to get the tone im looking for. The horn is alot bigger than a regular howler I make.



Brent
 
Rich,

If you're sucking on that Power Howler, you're doing it all wrong. Not to mention running the risk of aspirating the latex band. And come on,....you know that they're the best howler made? How can you say that without ever having used one?
 
Cdog911,
What I said in above post is my honest opinion. I'm sorry to have hurt your feelings in saying what I feel is honest truth. A howler that is fitted with a good open reed voice will always be superior for coyote talk. My health has been poor and I am not up to testing my idea of using a latex reeded voice for wolf talk. The latex band will likely require frequent adjustment and frequent reed changes in order to keep it working, but that may be what it takes to get a good realistic wolf howl. I'm glad to see that KeeKee is working on my idea already. The guys up north are anxious to see and hear the results. I knew that loyal fans of the power howler voiced coyote howlers would be a little ticked at me, but so what? If what I said above results in a good wolf howler, my upsetting a few guys to get it done will have been worth it. The wolf howl is a lot different than a coyote howl if you really listen to it.
 
Rich,

Your right. The wolf howl is diffrent, but the power howler mouth piece will produce very very good Coyote howls, pup destress and adult destress along with puppy howls. They sound real! It is very real and very easy to blow with NO pitch breaks in the howls. Very easy control with very little air.

With the new bands I use I dont think, well I know that one band will last a very long time. It takes alot of howls to were out the band I use on the howlers. And if cut to the right width will not require adjustment.

Your right it is your opinion!

Brent
 
Guys,

I've heard both and there are certainly differences in the tonalities. I have two "Cronks" and don't have an "ELK" howler...yet. Someday I hope to get one from Brent(KeeKee) just because they do have a unique sound. That's what this is all about... different sounds. Not necessarily better!

Rich... I'm very sorry to hear you're not feeling well... I wish you the best and will keep you in my prayers. I rode my Harley up into Iowa last week. Was in the Davenport area. Sure is pretty country up there by the river.

Take care, Nikonut /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
Mr. Cronk,
I'm not undrestanding this. Why do you think the ELK Howler suck? I remember the Great Howl-Off or what ever the howling contest between you and Rich Higgins on this board was called. He used an ELK Howler and won by a big margin.
 
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Mr. Cronk,
I'm not undrestanding this. Why do you think the ELK Howler suck? I remember the Great Howl-Off or what ever the howling contest between you and Rich Higgins on this board was called. He used an ELK Howler and won by a big margin.



Actually, the howler used by Rich Higgins was a modified E.L.K. Howler. He also had a better microphone or recording equipment. The contest wasn't won by a wide margin. It was very close. The weakness of the E.L.K. Howler has been the reed band. KeeKee has modified the mouthpiece, uses a different reed material and sets the mouth piece on the cow horn at an optimum angle to get the best howls you'll ever hear.
 
maslatrans,
Rich Higgins won that contest, and he won it fair and square. This does not change the fact that latex has a short life span, and it does not prove that the power howler is better than a good open reed howler. Something good always happens as the result of a contest like the one between Mr. Higgins and myself. I learned what people want to hear from a howler, and it caused me to experiment in methods of recording sounds. Rich Higgins and I get along just fine these days. I'm still better looking than Higgins, and I still know that open reed howlers are better for coyote talk than the latex voiced models. Some folks like the power howler voiced rigs alright, I just ain't one of them. The question I am trying to help with here is about WOLF talk, not coyote talk. The problem may not even be with the type of voice used. It could be that cow horn just doesn't "ring" the correct vibrations for the low pitches in wolf talk. KeeKee is in process of trying to make a wolf howler right now, and I hope it works out well. If not, then back to the drawing board. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
I appreciate the information on the howlers and I gotta say that Wolves howls are definately a different sound than the Ol' Coyote. It's kind of like trying to make a Clarinet sounds like a Tuba. The deeper lower howl of the Wolf is definately one that seems like it'd be tough to reproduce with a mylar/plastic reed. Brad H is working up a wolf howler for me and I'll give some feedback and recordings for ya'll to listen to when I get it. I enjoy hearing about the latex mouthpiece though, thanks for the information. I wonder how those latex jobs do when it's really cold? Can you get the ice off them easily? I like to put some type of cooking oil in my mouthpieces with a q-tip so the ice pops out easier. It's a given that at -20 to -30 below, you're going to get a wedge of ice in any call.
 
Rich Cronk and I are indeed getting along great nowadays. In fact I am a charter member of his fan club. We have come to a tacit agreement that he is indeed better looking than I am, but I am much smarter and a better caller. Detente of sorts.
We also agree that the open reed is better for coyote talk, if the coyotes are used to talking to firetrucks or other emergency vehicles.
Rich, as a member in good standing, please send me a new autographed 8X10 glossy of you as the one I presently have is taped to the seat of my lounger and is looking the worse for wear.
Thanking you in advance, your fan,
Rich /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Snowcamoman, call freezing isnt a major concern here in Arizona but I have called in subzero in serveral other states and at 26 below in Wyoming. I dont slobber into any of my calls as it tends to lock them up even at room temp. I keep my howler against my chest under my coat and not on a lanyard around my neck.

Mech and Theberge have spent decades studying wolves and their vocalizations and they use their voices to howl to good effect. Scott Huber uses his voice to howl up coyotes, also to good effect. F&G agencies of Az., N.M., and Texas all train college students to voice howl for making howling surveys for Mexican Greys.
Something of interest for you, Dr. Theberg's wife became very adept at voice howling and the wolves would always answer her. They would never answer recordings of her howling.
Weasle,
just out of curiosity-- how do you think I recorded the howls?
 
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Weasle,
just out of curiosity-- how do you think I recorded the howls?



I think you used a decent microphone and your computer. Cronk on the other hand must have used a tin can on a string. Both series of howls were great, but your recordings were much higher quality.

Am I getting warm?
 
Yup, pretty warm. Robb Krause recorded it for me on his laptop and a $15 Radio Shack hand mike. I recall someone speculating at the time that I used a professional recording studio.lol
We had to go outside to record it because my little dogs howl along with me whan I blow one in the house. That was probably a contributing factor.
 


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