Anyone shooting 22-250 over 4000 fps....??????

dan brothers

dan brothers

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I was just wondering why I never hear of anyone shooting those little 35 gr bullets up around 4300-4400 fps... seems like when this caliber is mentioned...it's always a 50 gr or bigger.

Why not scream them at 4400 fps....?
 
Originally Posted By: dan brothersI was just wondering why I never hear of anyone shooting those little 35 gr bullets up around 4300-4400 fps... seems like when this caliber is mentioned...it's always a 50 gr or bigger.

Why not scream them at 4400 fps....?

Cuz those little blunt 35gr bullets (BC of 0.10) at 4,400 fps, will be crawling at 200 yds, and going backwards at 300 yds.

All noise and nothing else.


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Now I'm confused. HOdgdons shows alot of loads for the 35 pill that have it smoking at 4400 fps... why would there be load information if it was just going to fall out of the sky at short ranges and tumble all over the place...?


Has anyone had actual experience with it...?
 
I also like to have some energy out at 500 so I shoot 55 grain. Its all give and take.
55's do a better job at the ranges I shoot.
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I ran my current 52gr Berger 22-250 load vs. a 35gr Nolser(Lead-free) at 4200fps (my load is 3900fps) and with both sighted in at 200 yards the 35gr is ever so slightly flatter until 400 yards where the 52gr load has the same drop 12.7 inches. There was never more than .2 MOA advantage for the faster load so not really a factor BUT the heavier bullets handle the wind better as you would suspect.
 
Hi Dan.

If you have an itch, scratch it. Thats what I have to do sometimes when I can't get something out of my head. Heck, they might work for ya.

Couple years back a friend of mine was loading the 35gr vmax with the hornet style ogive in his 223. Can't remember the velocity for sure but I was thinking they were right around 4,000. They would cloverleaf at 100yds and were really explosive when connecting on starlings and small rodents. Well, we shot em at 200yds and we saw right then that they just won't hold any accuracy at longer ranges. Shots were all over the place. Now I know the 35gr bergers don't have the same profile of those 35gr Vmax but I think this shows us something when talking about such a light stubby bullet. They lose their way fast. Keep in mind, a .20 cal 35gr bullet is ballistically better than a .224 due to the sleeker profile of the .204cal.
For lack of a better explanation, its like a throwing a wiffle ball. Starts out fast but dies out faster. We're just trying to find the happy medium.
 
You just as well get this out of your head, cuz the farther down this path you go the closer you will come to being a 220 Swift owner.
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I run the 53gr V-max out of my -250 at 3900fps. Good 'nuff.
 
A buddy of mine has shot probably a couple hundred with a max loaded .22-250 Browning A-bolt stainless stalker and 40gr CT bullets.
Mind you he tells me he's like 3in low at 500yds but regardless of his ignorance he's shot a boat load of coyotes with the 40's.
 
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interesting stuff.... you Guys have made some very good points...

I like the idea of having a laser.

my 223 shoots the 40's at 3610, which feels laser like... but it would feel better to make my 22-250 a Bigger and Better Laser. I can see where the 17 and 20 calibers would have slicker bullets for better flight and be more stable. It does make sense to have a little bigger bullet bucking the wind better and retaining it's energy. I just had a itch I needed to scratch and knew you guys have gotten over some of your scratching. Thanks...
 
Originally Posted By: dan brothers

"I can see where the 17 and 20 calibers would have slicker bullets for better flight and be more stable."



Funny, I can't see it at all.

Can you please explain it to me??


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Originally Posted By: CatShooterOriginally Posted By: dan brothersI was just wondering why I never hear of anyone shooting those little 35 gr bullets up around 4300-4400 fps... seems like when this caliber is mentioned...it's always a 50 gr or bigger.

Why not scream them at 4400 fps....?

Cuz those little blunt 35gr bullets (BC of 0.10) at 4,400 fps, will be crawling at 200 yds, and going backwards at 300 yds.

All noise and nothing else.


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+1

I learned this lesson shooting p. dogs, however the poly tip bullet did not exist back then. My trial was with two different bullets, the 50g Sierra lead tip blitz@3650 and the 45g Hornady hornet@3900 out of a 29" 22 PPC using PMC 7.62x39brass with the large rifle primer(puts a turbo on this round) with H335.

At 300 yds the dogs would just fall over like bowling pins with the 45's and the 50's would chunk them up.

The best load that I have ever found in a 22/250 was in a Rem 700 VSSF with a 26" barrel loaded with 40.5g of win 760 with a Black 55g nosler/Winchester combined technology bullet at 3850, groups are in the 3/8" with 3 shot groups and hitting 2 3/8" mini clay pigeons at 400 yds is a breeze! The black coating on these Combined technology bullets decreases the pressure and you can shoot higher charges attaining higher velocities in the rifles that I shoot, same thing occurs in several calibers. Your rifle, barrel, lot# of powder will be different from mine, so please work up your loads carefully on these top end loads.

I have a 27" barrel 223 AI with a 1-12 twist that will shoot the 40g noslers at nearly 4200 fps with IMI brass, CCIBR-4's, with N-133(tiny groups less than .200 is normal), have not shot them at 400 to see how they hold up. They do detonate a crow at 200 yards!

Ultra light bullets, ultra fast work very well on targets less than 200 yds, jury is still out on the 40g noslers at 4200fps.

One thing that a friend of mine found in a 244 AI shooting my 60g HP at 4400 fps detonated Rock chucks to a pretty good distance. I made the bullets using a 8 1/2S ojive point up die giving a farirly good BC with a 0.070 meplat size for the HP.

I think that JLK makes some 22 caliber 55g bullets with a 12S point up die that would be heck on wheels in a 12 twist 22/250.
 
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i shoot 40gr bergers out of one of my 22-250's around 4000fps.and i shoot them out of my 223 but not that fast because it is a model 7
 
Your right Ridgeline about me having a 243...it's shooting 58 gr vmax...I mean ZMAXES... at 3850...which is smoking to me... hopefully I can shoot some yotes in a couple of weeks with it.

I also have a Tikka 595 22-250 that is waiting on me to shoot up a few boxes of Winchester - white box - 45 gr JHP at 4000 fps. But in the mean time...I'm trying to get a handle on the high speed game... which is coming into more focus with everyone of your post...which makes for some real interesting stuff.

I don't even shoot my savage 12, 204.

I don't punch paper very much... punching fur is more to my liking...hopefully I can get into some target rich enviornments... starting two weeks from today... Lord willing that is.

It seems like I just gotta go West to burn some ammo.
 
"""I ran my current 52gr Berger 22-250 load """ me to ....... i run them to 3850+fps or or not at all..a litte wt can't hurt, and speed kills...imo.....
 
Originally Posted By: dan brothersI also have a Tikka 595 22-250 that is waiting on me to shoot up a few boxes of Winchester - white box - 45 gr JHP at 4000 fps.


I have been shooting some of the Winchester white box 45 gr. HP's, mainly just to for the brass. I'm shooting a Ruger with 24 inch barrel and chronographed them at 3500 fps, way below they 4000 they claim to be.
 
I know I am generally on the other end of the spectrum when it comes to lazers, but run the numbers on the 75gr A-max if your twist is fast enough. You might be surprised.
 


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