azhunter03
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I just purchased a Daystate Huntsman Midas and am curious if any of you guys use any of the high power air rifles when calling?
Anyone use an air rifle coyote hunting?
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im sure someone has tryed it but it would probly be compared to hunting with a 22Lr. so i will go ahead and say its posible to kill predators with one but after you try it ounce, you probly will never take it back hunting with you again. i did see somewhere where somebody killed a wild hog with an air rifle though im not sure where.
BUTCHER45
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im sure someone has tryed it but it would probly be compared to hunting with a 22Lr. so i will go ahead and say its posible to kill predators with one but after you try it ounce, you probly will never take it back hunting with you again. i did see somewhere where somebody killed a wild hog with an air rifle though im not sure where.
I'm working on it right now/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
I don't think I will stop hunting coyote with my air rifle for the "season" until I shoot one with it, and document it for you all. Hoping to get it on video so you can see it for yourselves, but I need someone with a video camera that is willing to film it.
I guarantee you, that I will not change my mind about shooting another coyote with it, after I knock down the first one. I will take great care in placing the shot where it needs to be, and the 210grain .45Colt slug will do the rest.
Use the right airgun (not pellet gun) for the job. That means a bigbore airgun.
Keep the caliber up, tune for power, keep the meplat fat, the range down to under 75 yards or so, and put it thru the heart/lung area of a coyote. Voila! Guaranteed dead coyote.
There is absolutely NO COMPARISON between the killing abilities of a .22LR and my .456 caliber air rifle. The air rifle blows it away. Probably beats out some of the more moderate centerfire rounds (such as the .22 Hornet) in regards to real-world killing power as well.
Click the slideshow picture in my signature line. The wound on the ram is the EXIT wound, though I admit it was lying on that side until picked-up by the ATV. I shot that animal to see for myself what the rifle would do, and I was not dis-appointed.
Obviously, that wild hog I shot with it went straight down
The quote in my signature line; Veral was talking about my air rifle when he said that.
Can a .22LR do this kind of damage? Nope. My next air rifle is going to be tuned to duplicate the ballistic of a standard .45Colt round using a 260 grain slug.
im sure someone has tryed it but it would probly be compared to hunting with a 22Lr. so i will go ahead and say its posible to kill predators with one but after you try it ounce, you probly will never take it back hunting with you again. i did see somewhere where somebody killed a wild hog with an air rifle though im not sure where.
I'm working on it right now/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
I don't think I will stop hunting coyote with my air rifle for the "season" until I shoot one with it, and document it for you all. Hoping to get it on video so you can see it for yourselves, but I need someone with a video camera that is willing to film it.
I guarantee you, that I will not change my mind about shooting another coyote with it, after I knock down the first one. I will take great care in placing the shot where it needs to be, and the 210grain .45Colt slug will do the rest.
Use the right airgun (not pellet gun) for the job. That means a bigbore airgun.
Keep the caliber up, tune for power, keep the meplat fat, the range down to under 75 yards or so, and put it thru the heart/lung area of a coyote. Voila! Guaranteed dead coyote.
There is absolutely NO COMPARISON between the killing abilities of a .22LR and my .456 caliber air rifle. The air rifle blows it away. Probably beats out some of the more moderate centerfire rounds (such as the .22 Hornet) in regards to real-world killing power as well.
Click the slideshow picture in my signature line. The wound on the ram is the EXIT wound, though I admit it was lying on that side until picked-up by the ATV. I shot that animal to see for myself what the rifle would do, and I was not dis-appointed.
Obviously, that wild hog I shot with it went straight down
The quote in my signature line; Veral was talking about my air rifle when he said that.
Can a .22LR do this kind of damage? Nope. My next air rifle is going to be tuned to duplicate the ballistic of a standard .45Colt round using a 260 grain slug.
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Nikonut
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I would never even consider taking a .177 or even .22cal airgun coyote hunting! The very minimum would be a high power .25 cal PCP gun or larger. An ethical kill is not just an option it is a responsibility!
Many of the newer large bore airguns are capable of killing even much larger game than coyotes and ethically! Even as large as a buffalo! Large bore airguns were actually used in warfare as early as the 1700's due to their quiet operation and lethality! Airguns in Early History and Warfare
The DAQ .308 was designed to hunt coyotes and smaller game out to 100yards and has exceptional knockdown power and accuracy out to beyond 200yards.
Mine shoots a 128grain .308 cal solid, cast lead slug from a standard M1 carbine round. That's 128 grains moving at over 850fps with around 220fpe out of a 20" barrel. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
DAQ .308cal Exile
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Many of the newer large bore airguns are capable of killing even much larger game than coyotes and ethically! Even as large as a buffalo! Large bore airguns were actually used in warfare as early as the 1700's due to their quiet operation and lethality! Airguns in Early History and Warfare
The DAQ .308 was designed to hunt coyotes and smaller game out to 100yards and has exceptional knockdown power and accuracy out to beyond 200yards.
Mine shoots a 128grain .308 cal solid, cast lead slug from a standard M1 carbine round. That's 128 grains moving at over 850fps with around 220fpe out of a 20" barrel. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
DAQ .308cal Exile
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MTurbo
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If they can take a 2000 lb. bison I guess they can kill a yote. Frigging crazy!
masshunter
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Now this is interesting. How loud are they???? What kind of money are we talking, approx ?? I use a RWS to keep squirrels off the feeders so I know about the scope issue, what kind of recoil are we looking at, reverse recoil if I'm not mistaken.I'm not shure if I understand how they are charged up, what about 2nd shots?? My wife will take this computer back for shure!
Nikonut
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PCP airguns are charged with a separate pump or from a scuba bottle at #3000lbs or more of pressure.
They aren't cheap! $500-1500 and the charging setup is often another $500-800! If you have a dive shop nearby or if you know someone on your local fire department you can get your tank filled there. Some tanks will charge to #4500lbs!
The bigbore guns can be pretty loud but not nearly as loud as a similar caliber rifle! They are a lot of challenge and fun to shoot. Second or follow up shots depend on the rifle... most are capable of as many as 10 shoots simply by inserting a projectile and cycling the bolt.
There is a discussion in the "Varmint Hunting" forum with links or just do a search for "Bigbore Airguns"
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They aren't cheap! $500-1500 and the charging setup is often another $500-800! If you have a dive shop nearby or if you know someone on your local fire department you can get your tank filled there. Some tanks will charge to #4500lbs!
The bigbore guns can be pretty loud but not nearly as loud as a similar caliber rifle! They are a lot of challenge and fun to shoot. Second or follow up shots depend on the rifle... most are capable of as many as 10 shoots simply by inserting a projectile and cycling the bolt.
There is a discussion in the "Varmint Hunting" forum with links or just do a search for "Bigbore Airguns"
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BUTCHER45
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Now this is interesting. How loud are they???? What kind of money are we talking, approx ?? I use a RWS to keep squirrels off the feeders so I know about the scope issue, what kind of recoil are we looking at, reverse recoil if I'm not mistaken.I'm not shure if I understand how they are charged up, what about 2nd shots?? My wife will take this computer back for shure!
There is no "reverse recoil" with the pre-compressed pneumatic airguns like you get with a springer, so any scope you would use on a powder-burner is just fine on a PCP air rifle.
I use a Hill Pump to charge my rifle, as I accidentally shipped off the fitting adapter for my scuba tank when selling another PCP rifle. If you shop around, you can pick up a Hill Pump for as low as $210, and the necessary fittings to hook it up to your rifle will go another $30-$50. Scuba adapter runs about $100 to $170 or so depending on what you order, and includes the hose necessary for the HillPump.
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/DSCN5507.jpg
Consider what you are getting for your money with the airfill set-up: a LIFETIME OF PROPELLANT (the HillPump is the only pump you should consider, as they are the best build, and have re-build kits readily available for them).
I pay roughly $26-$32 for 250 .45Colt slugs, so I can get A LOT more shooting in for my money. No need for powder, primer, shell casings, or any re-loading supplies.
These airguns will make you think twice when buying powder-burner ammunition, especially in this day and age. They can also get you into prime hunting areas that wouldn't allow you to shoot your 22-250 due to excessive range and noise issues.
Now this is interesting. How loud are they???? What kind of money are we talking, approx ?? I use a RWS to keep squirrels off the feeders so I know about the scope issue, what kind of recoil are we looking at, reverse recoil if I'm not mistaken.I'm not shure if I understand how they are charged up, what about 2nd shots?? My wife will take this computer back for shure!
There is no "reverse recoil" with the pre-compressed pneumatic airguns like you get with a springer, so any scope you would use on a powder-burner is just fine on a PCP air rifle.
I use a Hill Pump to charge my rifle, as I accidentally shipped off the fitting adapter for my scuba tank when selling another PCP rifle. If you shop around, you can pick up a Hill Pump for as low as $210, and the necessary fittings to hook it up to your rifle will go another $30-$50. Scuba adapter runs about $100 to $170 or so depending on what you order, and includes the hose necessary for the HillPump.
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/DSCN5507.jpg
Consider what you are getting for your money with the airfill set-up: a LIFETIME OF PROPELLANT (the HillPump is the only pump you should consider, as they are the best build, and have re-build kits readily available for them).
I pay roughly $26-$32 for 250 .45Colt slugs, so I can get A LOT more shooting in for my money. No need for powder, primer, shell casings, or any re-loading supplies.
These airguns will make you think twice when buying powder-burner ammunition, especially in this day and age. They can also get you into prime hunting areas that wouldn't allow you to shoot your 22-250 due to excessive range and noise issues.
azhunter03
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I as well have the BSA pump it cost me $270 dollars and if you choose to take the scuba route the adapter is only $125 plus tank which you can usually find pretty cheap. I have a moderator on my gun and the only nose it makes is the sound of air coming out the barrel the impact of the pellet is much louder then the actual gun. You can get a shrouded barrel which is pretty quite as well. If you have never shot one of these guns you will be surprised. I can put pellet inside a pellet from fifty yards just about every time, they are unbelievably accurate. Best part about it is I only pay $15 dollars for 500 .22 pellets. As for hunting yotes I would only use an air rifle with at least 50ft/lbs, making a good shot in the chest would take down a yote no problems from 75 yards in. I shoot rabbits and ground squirrels from a 100 yards all day it is a blast.
BUTCHER45
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As for hunting yotes I would only use an air rifle with at least 50ft/lbs, making a good shot in the chest would take down a yote no problems from 75 yards in. I shoot rabbits and ground squirrels from a 100 yards all day it is a blast.
Chest shots with 50fpe? Seriously? Come on now!
That's about 1/3 the fpe of a hot .22LR, with a skirted pellet that sheds it's energy a lot faster than a bullet. Not much thump to begin with, much less for a coyote at 75 yards.
I would expect runners just about every single time using a pellet gun of that power level, and would certainly expect a lot of problems recovering them.
I would actually bet money a coyote would not be recovered when shot in the chest with a pellet gun like that. You wouldn't have any kind of blood trail to follow whatsoever, with a minuscule wound channel.
As for hunting yotes I would only use an air rifle with at least 50ft/lbs, making a good shot in the chest would take down a yote no problems from 75 yards in. I shoot rabbits and ground squirrels from a 100 yards all day it is a blast.
Chest shots with 50fpe? Seriously? Come on now!
That's about 1/3 the fpe of a hot .22LR, with a skirted pellet that sheds it's energy a lot faster than a bullet. Not much thump to begin with, much less for a coyote at 75 yards.
I would expect runners just about every single time using a pellet gun of that power level, and would certainly expect a lot of problems recovering them.
I would actually bet money a coyote would not be recovered when shot in the chest with a pellet gun like that. You wouldn't have any kind of blood trail to follow whatsoever, with a minuscule wound channel.
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TripleDeuce660
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holy smokes ! never heard of a big bore air rifle that has more power then a rimfire! i was looking at gamo and stuff and thought man i'll just stick with my 22lr and get a cz lux with long barrel to keep the noise down a bit.
I can't even start reading this thread any further or i'm going to have a new gun to drool over and i don't even have a job !
I can't even start reading this thread any further or i'm going to have a new gun to drool over and i don't even have a job !
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masshunter
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Thanks Nikonnut & Butcher for the info, Just when I thought I didn't "need" anything more.......
crowpopper
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i wouldnt take any chest shots with my .25 barrel for the condor and that is makin 150 ft lbs only head and neck shots for me all under 60 yds
azhunter03
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I would disagree. When using a .22 cal airrifle with 50ft/lbs taking a coyote in a chest. Yeah it does not have the fps a 22 rimfire has but the pellet penetrates much deeper then the rimfire. Like I said putting a good shot will break a rib and get to the heart dropping the coyote in its tracks. As a 22 rimfire is traveling so fast the bullets explodes into pieces at impact just injuring the coyote and not getting through the ribs an to the heart. Using the Dynamic pellets which are lead free is a much tougher pellet and will get to the heart no problem.
BUTCHER45
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I would disagree. When using a .22 cal airrifle with 50ft/lbs taking a coyote in a chest. Yeah it does not have the fps a 22 rimfire has but the pellet penetrates much deeper then the rimfire. Like I said putting a good shot will break a rib and get to the heart dropping the coyote in its tracks. As a 22 rimfire is traveling so fast the bullets explodes into pieces at impact just injuring the coyote and not getting through the ribs an to the heart. Using the Dynamic pellets which are lead free is a much tougher pellet and will get to the heart no problem.
I'll agree to dis-agree with you.
A nearly pure-lead .22lr slug isn't going to break up into pieces. A jacketed bullet; sure, but not your standard .22lr bullet which is nearly pure lead.
Lead is a very cohesive substance, and sticks together like a wad of gum. Ask anyone that has recovered muzzleloader roundballs, or conicals from game animals.
Just last month a friend showed me a book that he shot with a .22lr, and the holes in it demonstrated that the bullets were intact upon exit.
Shooting a pellet at .22lr velocities will also demonstrate this. I'm certain that it COULD penetrate the heart and kill a coyote. I've read reports of feral dogs being killed in such a way.
Though I very much doubt that it would drop one in it's tracks inside 75 yards "no problem" on a consistent basis. I've seen enough footage of coyotes heart-shot with centerfire rifles, that run a long ways to believe that.
I would disagree. When using a .22 cal airrifle with 50ft/lbs taking a coyote in a chest. Yeah it does not have the fps a 22 rimfire has but the pellet penetrates much deeper then the rimfire. Like I said putting a good shot will break a rib and get to the heart dropping the coyote in its tracks. As a 22 rimfire is traveling so fast the bullets explodes into pieces at impact just injuring the coyote and not getting through the ribs an to the heart. Using the Dynamic pellets which are lead free is a much tougher pellet and will get to the heart no problem.
I'll agree to dis-agree with you.
A nearly pure-lead .22lr slug isn't going to break up into pieces. A jacketed bullet; sure, but not your standard .22lr bullet which is nearly pure lead.
Lead is a very cohesive substance, and sticks together like a wad of gum. Ask anyone that has recovered muzzleloader roundballs, or conicals from game animals.
Just last month a friend showed me a book that he shot with a .22lr, and the holes in it demonstrated that the bullets were intact upon exit.
Shooting a pellet at .22lr velocities will also demonstrate this. I'm certain that it COULD penetrate the heart and kill a coyote. I've read reports of feral dogs being killed in such a way.
Though I very much doubt that it would drop one in it's tracks inside 75 yards "no problem" on a consistent basis. I've seen enough footage of coyotes heart-shot with centerfire rifles, that run a long ways to believe that.
Evil_Lurker
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A .22 cal pellet might kill a coyote, I had a skunk trapped under a pile of railroad ties once and I killed it with a Crosman .22 pellet gun. The pellet was passing clear through and exiting. It was an ugly (and smelly) fight and took about 5 shots to finish.
I think dropping a coyote on the spot would require a brain shot, personally. Iffy at best.
A coyote is a lot tougher than a skunk, and I was 5 feet away.
I think dropping a coyote on the spot would require a brain shot, personally. Iffy at best.
A coyote is a lot tougher than a skunk, and I was 5 feet away.
Lewis and Clark had an air rifle. Larger caliber too. Not sure if they shot at any coyotes though.
see it here.
http://www4.vmi.edu/museum/air_rifle.html
see it here.
http://www4.vmi.edu/museum/air_rifle.html