ar scope rings

goldengun4

goldengun4

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I just recently got my ar and want to put a scope on it. I went to go get scope rings for it and the guy behind the counter said that uve got to have special scope rings. Is this true and if it is what kind should i get?



goldengun4
 
I assume you're talking about a flat top. If so, you don't necessarily need special rings...but you'll probably want something pretty tall. Most receivers made recently will accept Weaver style rings. It's my understanding that Millet makes AR capable rings that are worth the money. Some people are even getting along with the cheap see through type rings that are available at Walmart. Personally, I'd opt for the Millets...they're not much more expensive.

You can also look at one piece bases. I'm currently using a Wilson Combat one piece and have had very good success with it. I'm told Armalite also makes a good one piece unit. However, it's a little more expensive than the Wilson, so I haven't tried it.
 
I bought the millett rings as sheepfarmer has spoken of and I have been 100% happy. They are the cheepest quality way to go as far as I could find.
 
The scope your going to use is a consideration when picking a mounting system. Long eye-relief scopes may need some forward ofset. The proper scope centerline height on the A4 Flat tops is around 2 1/16 inches above the stock. This will accommodate almost any objective diameter. If you don't need quick detatch rings or mount, you can save some bucks with extra tall rings or a riser and a set of low to medium rings. If you go back into some earlier posts, you can find some good photos of what's out there for the AR-15s. Enjoy your new rifle.
 
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It would help a bunch if we knew what the upper receiver is. Does it have a one piece carry handle or is it a flattop. The front sight is not really much of a problem with scopes in the 3X and higher, it just blurs out. If you have an A2 with the built in carry handle then you need a carry handle scope mount. That will put your scope up very high and yes it is a special mount but available from many sources. If it is a flattop upper, then you can use most any one piece scope mount/ring piece out there. Or you can use high Weaver style rings to get the scope up high enough for proper cheek placement.
 
Assuming you have a flat-top upper, it's pretty easy to "do the math" and figure out what you need, avoiding wasting money on unneeded pieces, and parts, therefore only buying once, etc.

I have always mounted my optics where the distance from the top of the rail on the RIFLE, to the crosshairs is 1.50". This keeps the distance the same as the iron sights on an A2. I just measured my PD AR, and this height gives a different dimension than SodakJim recommends (I think) as I'm not sure where he is measuring to, i.e. 2 1/16" from the bore to ?? Maybe they do work out the same depending on where his second measuring point is. Which one is correct, I can't say absolutely. I'm just relating how I mount my optics.

The GS-1 from GG&G is a very good rail, that gives you an additional 3.0" forward of the rail on the rifle to get enough forward offset that SodakJim refers to, to mount the eyepiece of your optics flush with the charging handle. It also adds .50" height above the rail on the rifle. From there, you just buy the ring height you need to get the total distance you want. This GS-1 model rail will not allow adding iron sights in addition to the optics. GG&G does make a rail with very similar specs that does allow mounting iron sights along with your optics if you desire.

The GG&G products are very well made, and are a very good value IMO, and also made in the USA. What I've described IS NOT quick disconnect, so if you need that feature, these recommendations won't work.

Let us know what you end up with, and how you like it please.

Hangtime.
 
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Hangtime you are right. I meant to say 2 1/16 above the stock for the scope centerline. I'm still not clear if goldengun4 has a A4 flat top, since he mentioned getting over the front sight. I have the Larue SP 1.5 mount on mine to accommodate the long eye relief Leupold long range.
 
ive got a leitner wise m6. lwrifles.com then just go to the left side of page and scroll over the m6. thanks
 
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Hangtime you are right. I meant to say 2 1/16 above the stock for the scope centerline. I'm still not clear if goldengun4 has a A4 flat top, since he mentioned getting over the front sight. I have the Larue SP 1.5 mount on mine to accommodate the long eye relief Leupold long range.



OK, now I'm with you. Thanks for clearing that up. Looks like from the pic it's A4, including even the ramps.

Hangtime.
 
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ive got a leitner wise m6. lwrifles.com then just go to the left side of page and scroll over the m6. thanks



Are the iron sights removable? I would surely think so. You've got an A4 flat-top receiver. Looks to me like the only decision left to make is do you want optics only on top, or optics, and keep the iron sights too. If the irons are removable, my first post is still applicable. If they're permanently attached, I don't know what to tell you. Never been there before.

Hangtime.
 
Okay you have a flattop upper. Again you can use a one piece mount like Armalites model or you can use the individual small risers that Bushmaster sells and medium to high weaver style rings. Or you can use a one piece riser by GG&G, Yankee Hill Machine or others and use the Weaver style rings to suite your cheek placement. Most any scope 3x or more scope will usually blur out the front sight because it's such a short distance from the objective lens to the sight post, so you don't need to be over the front sight post. Just set the scope up for your comfort.If you go with a DOT sight then you will see the front sight post and that's okay.
 
Hey goldengun4,

If you look at the picture of the M6A2 DMR it shows a Larue Tactical mount like Furhunter mentioned. I would hope that the front sight is easily removed. The LWRC website is not very clear about the front site. What scope are you going to mount?
 
Here's one mounted, so you can see it in use. No worry like its been said about the front sight post, its too close to the scope, you will look right thru it like its not even there. Drag out one of your scoped hunting rifles and have somebody put a thick pen 12" away from the scope while your looking thru it. The pens focal range its too close to the scope to be picked up.
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as of what scope im not sure. im thinkin of somethin like a 4-16x40. but idk. but thanks for all the help. and ill look at it tonight and see if i can take the front sight off. im pretty sure i can. thanks



goldengun4
 
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as of what scope im not sure. im thinkin of somethin like a 4-16x40. but idk. but thanks for all the help. and ill look at it tonight and see if i can take the front sight off. im pretty sure i can. thanks



goldengun4



Unless you have a shaved one or a different gas block on hand....dont bother. You cant just go without it, as there is a gas tube that runs from it back to the action. This is what makes the rifle cycle when you pull the trigger. I didnt know if you knew this or not /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
 
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im thinkin of somethin like a 4-16x40.



That would be a very reasonable choice. I'm using a 4-12x and it works out well. I wouldn't recommend going higher than 4x on the low end for anything but a dedicated bench rifle.
 


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