AR15 kit questions

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deerhunter1970

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I am looking to build an AR15 with a complete kit (already have a lower receiver). I have looked at M&A and Model 1 Sales. Does any one have any info on either of these companies? From what I can tell the major difference between the two is that M&A uses Wilson barrels and Model 1 uses ER Shaw barrels. Don't know much about the Shaw barrels but with the Shaw barrel I can get it in .223. Thats not a huge deal but am looking to make a varmint rifle and the .223 would be a smidge more appealing. Thanks for the help
 
theres also del-ton and colman tyler i have ordered from colman tyler and i hear good from model one as well but the best price would be the one to choose.....
 
dh1970,
also look into www.j&tdistributing.com they also sell kits, use shaw barrels (which ain't bad) and the man who owns it is real easy to deal with, he'll bend over backwards to help you and give you what you want.

When it comes to parts house guns, there isn't much difference, they all buy parts from a pool of vendors, and just assemble them, the difference is how they respond if you have a problem, or want something different.
RR
 
I mentioned in a post just yesterday that my AR-15 with the ER Shaw barrel on it was the best shooting centerfire rifle that I currently owned as far as its ability to shoot all kinds of different loads, both factory and handloads very well. Will shoot 10 shot groups into a half inch. I bought the upper complete from Model 1. The lower was put together using a Double Star frame. I did put in a Chip McCormick dual stage trigger a month or two later on as well.

Now then- if I just had one more of these in 17 Remington!
 
Both Model 1 and M&A Parts have been kicked off AR15.com as advertisers, they don't take kicking off paid advertisers lightly, it impacts the websites bottom line, but sometimes you just have to do it. The owner of M&A Parts physically assaulted a customer at a gun show in Texas a couple of years ago, they were subsequently kicked out of the large gun show. There is supposed to be some relation between these two companies, but I don't know the details.

A couple of companies that I have personally dealt with and are good people:

Del-Ton Inc

J&T Distributing
 
Another thing to consider. ANy of these kits comes with a fully assembled upper, ready to pin onto your lower and go shoot.

So if you buy a complete lower ($200 and up) then all you need is an upper, a magazine and ammo.

If you already have a stripped lower, install a lower parts kit (LPK) and a butt stock (Complete, with spring and buffer) and you're ready for the upper.

The kit sounds attractive, and in many cases it is. But virtually all the AR manufacturers sell uppers, and you can save money and get the exact configuration you want by buying the pieces seperately.

I think the best bargains (what you get for your $$) is from CMMG. http://www.cmmginc.com

Armalite uppers are VERY good, and very accurate. They sell complete uppers from $500. Their standard 16" carbine uses a midlength gas system, a nice feature.
 
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Both Model 1 and M&A Parts have been kicked off AR15.com as advertisers, they don't take kicking off paid advertisers lightly, it impacts the websites bottom line, but sometimes you just have to do it. The owner of M&A Parts physically assaulted a customer at a gun show in Texas a couple of years ago, they were subsequently kicked out of the large gun show. There is supposed to be some relation between these two companies, but I don't know the details.

A couple of companies that I have personally dealt with and are good people:

Del-Ton Inc

J&T Distributing



Wingman,

I'm curious to know if you have ever purchased anything from Model 1 Sales or M&A. I have noticed you have been telling everyone that asks about purchasing an AR kit that these two companies have been kicked off of AR15.com

Was it due to your OWN personal experience with either of these two companies or are you just reiterating info you read from some "KNOW IT ALL" on another site. Do you have exact details OR facts of the acts or reasons that lead up to the removal or "kicking off" as you have clearly indicated in your posts as to why these two companies have been removed from AR15.com?

And the alledged assault that took place in Texas a couple of years ago, were you the victim of the assault? Or perhaps you were there to witness the alledged assault and from personal eye witness experience can you give exact details of the alledged assault. Any chance you may have heard about the alledged assault from some "KNOW IT ALL" from another site.....Perhaps AR15.com?


And by personal experience I have witnessed DEL-TON screw the pooch on at least one order, does that make them a bad company to deal with or are they just another victim waiting in the wings to be "kicked off" of AR15.com.

Also by personal experience I have dealt with Model 1 Sales on several occassions and have been more than happy with the customer service and promptness of all but one order, which by the way was a screw up mostly on my part as I had relocated since my last order. Their products have been all very acceptable and in excellent working condition. I am relativly new at building AR'S and FAL's, it's only been a hobby for about 15 years now and I've used parts from numerous suppliers. However, it intrigues me how someone asking about an AR kit on this website can lead to an alledged assualt that took place 2+ years ago.


You see, I spent 24 years in law enforcement and I know just exactly how distorted facts can become especially when they are told over and over to literally thousands of people on various websites. Things are totally different when you actually find out the truth but without facts to back up stories by story tellers, they sometimes are better laid to rest after heard and chaulk it up to "things that make you go Hmmmmm!"


Just curious is all? Also I apologize to anyone offended for the hijacking of this topic.

Thanks

Gary
 
go here and get a bargain basement AR for $550, You can't go wrong! limited time, get em while you can!

cmmginc.com


ok they raised prices from last week to $570
 
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I have built 3 kits from M&A in the last year, 2 varmint and an A2. There was a problem with a trigger in one of the kits. I orderd a RR 2 stage upgrade and that was not what I recieved with the kit. When I determined what the problem was my issue was resolved. I have had no other issues in so far as quality and everything has functioned as mil spec parts should. I am planning to build another flat top soon and think that I will deal with them again but I will check out Shotgun News before I order. If you are going to order a kit get a stripped receiver and then shop for what you want but order everything that you want at one time such as trigger upgrade,scope mount,bi-pod,5rd mags for hunting if applicaple in your state,ect to save on shipping. With an assembled upper all the hard work is done for you. Build a rifle or two have fun and good shooting...Steve in AZ
 
I've been part of putting together MANY kits from jtdistributing.com and have been 100% happy with all of mine. Each of us that have them are happy as well. All but 2 of the 12 or 13 of them (don't remember how many anymore) were Bull barrels.
 
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And the alledged assault that took place in Texas a couple of years ago, were you the victim of the assault? Or perhaps you were there to witness the alledged assault and from personal eye witness experience can you give exact details of the alledged assault. Any chance you may have heard about the alledged assault from some "KNOW IT ALL" from another site.....Perhaps AR15.com?




As far as the assault, I know the gentleman and I can attest that it did happen. The representative from M&A Parts was out of line. I guess you are referring to Sean as the "KNOW IT ALL" on AR15.com. I would guess he would know all the facts of what took place as it was him that was assaulted. There were others from AR15.com that were there and witnessed the episode. Discrediting anyone from AR15.com is not really fair as it was an ar15.com member that was assaulted and many of the eye witnesses were members as well.

Did the whole thing get drug through the mud way too long? IMO, maybe....but growing up, my parents always taught me that I'm responsible for my own actions and the reprecussions that may follow. When a person that represents a business physically assaults someone on company time, you bet your a$$ that there's going to be an uproar.

I'm not going to go into details that I'm aware of as I wasn't there myself when it happened so it would just be "hearsay". I'll see if Sean want's to log in here and comment on it. None the less, I can attest to the fact that it did happen.

M&A Parts and Model 1 sales are supposably owned by and operated both by one family (different family members for each).

As far as quality, I've heard both good things and bad things about both companies. I've never bought anything from either of them so I can't tell you about the quality of the parts or customer service.

I've had great experiences with Del-Ton, JT Distributing as well as a RB Precision & Lonestar Wholesale (both RB and Lonestar are RRA distributors).

ETA: Wingman, I do have to agree with FALFire, if you're going to bash them, you should give a better reason than "they were kicked off of AR15.com". At least give the OP some input as to why their parts are bad if in fact you have experienced bad parts or bad customer service.
 
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For my 1st post, since I am being discussed in connection with M&A Parts . . . . All I could think was that buying from M&A Parts is an automatic:

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There are simply too many great companies to spend your money with. That's it.

But then again . . . . I didn't realize that I was a "Know-It-All" from "that other site".

I thought I was:
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And I still don't know it all. But I know a few things:
1. I was there. I was grabbed by Billy Caplan and I choked him for touching me.

2. If you want details, look it up in the archives of AR15.com. It is what it is.

As far as M&A parts being kicked off ARFCOM, that I don't know. I do know that they registered a couple of accounts there and never joined as advertisers. They were probably locked because M&A refused to pay to advertise on AR-15.com.

I thought this had died several years ago, but M&A parts was recently (two or three weeks ago)kicked out of the Houston gun show (for the 2nd or 3rd time) yet again after being caught sneaking back in.

BUILDING an AR-15:

Being an FFL, I use Delton for my customer's builds. I have built 2-3 AR-15s off their kits and they have come together and functioned without any issues.

I have also had good luck with JT and Model 1 Sales. I find that there are several companies that want your business and don't grab their customers at gunshows.
 
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If I were you, I'd buy an Olympic Arms upper with their SUM barrel from D-Tech and pay him to flute it. I don't think you can beat the accuracy for the price from Mike's shop.
 
Thanks for all the info. Really didn't know that there were so many different companies out there that did the kits. I appreciate all the help and once I narrow it down (lots of choices now) I will let you know how it went.
 


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