Are Primos the same as other calls?

jedicazador

jedicazador

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I have the Primos line up, I have been looking at other calls and as I become more aware of what is available it appears like they are copies of the red desert howler and some other prevalant calls that have been around awhile what do ya'll think?
I dont mean to offend Randy or anything I think the call is good I was just wondering.
Mike
 
Yep, I think the hot-dog is a copy of the Red Desert. I have the Red Desert and like it real well. I also have the Primos "lil dog" and like it alot as well. Well I should say I like the white read. I haven't found much use for the green reed.
 
I have both the Red Desert and the Hot Dog, and there is no doubt they had the Red Desert basic design in mind when they made the Hot Dog. However, I find it much easier to blow with just as good a sound. Also, having the whole lineup down through the Lil Dog gives you the ability to sound like different coyotes. Don't forget the KiYi, as you can make some of the best coyote distress sounds on it with the reed protector off, or some of the loudest distress cries with the protector on.
 
I have the Lil dog, the white is a longer range than the green is all, I use mine for distress calls since I already have a howler I can work better. I don't care if they are copies or not, if it's good enough for Randy it's good enough for me.

t/c223encore.
 
Yep, they are just cheap mass produced copies of proven calls. Randy sold out, and possibly illegaly copied the red dessert howler. Rumor is he did not even try and patten it as a predator call. He did manage to get it in as a turkey call cause he knew that it would not make it as a predator call.

This has been the rumors I have heard.
 
Ouch... I'd hesitate before accusing anybody of copying anybody else's call. I'm sure Primos has plenty of attorneys.

As far as I'm concerned ALL commercially made mouth calls seem to share a LOT of similarity.

As far as Randy copying Dan Thompson... Ask Dan how he feels about that. I imagine he'd be flattered if it really happened.

Randy's success speaks for itself. I think I own all the Randy Anderson Series Primos calls and although I like them fine I also see some original ideas.

Watch the video "Mastering the Art" and pay attention to what the Primos guy (can't remember his name) says about Randy's nit picking the calls and how many times he sent them back to redesign them again and again.

I believe it.

btw... My favorite call is the Crit'r Call Standard. If there's a predator calling sound I can't make on it, and sound realistic, I'm not aware of it.

$bob$
 
Idhunter,

You are wrong Dan is Pi$$ed about it. He is seeking legal council right now. The fact of the matter is yes the Randy call is identical to the Red Dessert howler. If you did buy all of Randy's calls you are a sucker. Your money could have been much better spent here with the custom call makers. Sorry but the primos guys will say and tell anything to sell more calls. Your instance on the video, could have been Randy trying to make it as close to Dan's call as possible. On his first videos he promoted the Red Dessert Howler, infact Dan probable helped him out. Now he won't even mention it.
 
Ouch... Hate to see that happen and I'm certainly surprized.

From what it looked like Randy and Dan used to be good friends.

Oh well... Money sure has it's lures.

$bob$
 
I spoke with Dan Thompson at a Sportsman Expo last year and he seemed to pretty steamed about the whole thing but then I mentioned the coyotes I called in using his calls and it brought him a big smile. I'd much rather buy from the little guys and see them smile knowing that you are having a blast using their calls. No hard feelings to Primos, they make great calls, but I've never had a Primos rep shoot the crap with me instead of trying to sell me something. Just my .02.
 
wow elks! you seem a little PO'ed. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif sounds like he stole a call idea from you or something. doesn't dan thompson himself sell a weems knock-off? dan thompson calls are mass produced as well. is he a sell out? aren't you mad at him for that? cheap mass produced copies of weems. most calls take a little of this and a little of that from one another. don't get so offended that he "sold" out. how exactly did he sell out anyway? because he's making money at something he does well? i'm sure you'd pass that chance up! so as to not sell out. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
Smithers,

No, I am just stating how it went I could care less, I will never buy a Randy A. call. There is more to the story than just coping a patented call. There was some betral there as well. CJG Beef is right, Dan is still a small guy he has not sold out to anyone. He has made a ton of money over the years. I know if I wanted I could swing by Dans house in Rawlins anytime and pick up a call, spend an hour chatting with him etc. I also know i could get him to sand and work the call how ever I wanted. I am not sure where or how all of Dans calls are made, but the last heard he still had piles of parts and pieces laying around that he was making calls with.

It is not so much the call that is the problem, it seems decitful and betraying to say the least.
 
Wow I wasnt sure about it but I guess my feelings were headed in the right direction.I have a few of the Anderson Videos and really like em. I did see how the red desert howler was promoted and then the RA calls. and how they looked so much alike. It just never clicked at first. I have been a "sucker", If Dan visits this site I'd like to apologize to him and buy one of his calls. If he doesnt and if any of you have contact with him let him know for me. We are the ones that have to take care of our brothers, who ever they may be.
Mike
 
I have to say there is a huge difference between getting permission to reproduce a successfull call that is no longer in production and blatently copying a patented design and then competing against the original with it. It is too bad to see a friendship broken in this sport, but there is no excuse for compromising one's values for a dollar. By the way, selling out is when you put someone elses bigger name on your product to sell it. I don't see anyone's name but Dan's on his calls.
 
Hey at some point most men will go for the Bucks. Be it to support there family,spending habits, or to convert there mobile home on a river to a 5000 sq. foot palace. I don't think we can blame Randy but his videos are not near as good as the old hill-billy that he used to be no matter what call he is using.
 
Don't get me wrong as I am not choosing sides.In Randy's defense if you watch the first Primos video where Randy and Will Primos are discussing their calls Will brings up the point that Randy used other calls in his previous video's and states that they WERE good calls.Randy answer's that with the statement that they still are good calls.I think that say's something about the man.
 
knapper your definition of a sellout is wrong. so everything else in your post is rendered pointless.
i'll give you that they are similar. exact copies? no. i'll just reiterate that you all seem to be holding a grudge against someone you probably looked up to for the simple fact that he's making money. a tad jealous. statement not question. you are J-E-A-L-O-U-S! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
randy anderson did more with 3 videos to sell red desert howlers and other calls than dan thompson could have ever sold on his own. most of you probably didn't even know what a red desert howler was before those videos and couldn't wait to get one after seeing it. you are all a bunch of sheep. see a guy call in a few coyotes using a howler and "ya gotta have it." even if it sounds like an off key tuba. not that it matters, coyotes are tone deaf.
i'm sure randy anderson wouldn't turn you away from his doorstep either. i'm sure he'd spitshine your call for ya or play you a stupid song on his howler. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
So I'm wondering if this is such a problem between Dan and Randy,Why are Dans calls on the front page of Randy's website?
 
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so back to the post, are they the same or not? It seems to me that they are simular but not THE same. But does anyone really know, I bet the makers do. Anyhow thanks for your comments here you all have sure shed some light on the subject. Thanks again Mike
 
the li' dog is not similar to any other call that i have seen, except for the way the reed is held in the call. that's similar to the sceery calls. the ki-yi is definitely innovative and not been done before. the big dog or red desert dog whatever you want to call it is similar to the red desert. as for the raspy coaxer, still cottontail and all those others they look like deer calls to me.
 
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