Ass hats are at it again
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crapshoot
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They must be taking their cues from the all mighty orange man.
Can't give a straight answer and flip flop on everything. That's why i did away with all pistols and just SBR'd a lower. With the $200 removed, no reason not to anymore. Oh you're worried about being on a list? Guess what! You're aleady on their list.
Can't give a straight answer and flip flop on everything. That's why i did away with all pistols and just SBR'd a lower. With the $200 removed, no reason not to anymore. Oh you're worried about being on a list? Guess what! You're aleady on their list.
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Sprinkman
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LOL, we "won't proactively hunt you" unless you're "a case on our radar".
Gee, I wonder how you might become a case on the radar.
How shall I count the ways:
Pissed off ex
Pissed off neighbor
Pissed off co-worker
Nosey neighbor
Nosey doctor
Jilted sibling
Jilted child
and on and on the list goes.....
Gee, I wonder how you might become a case on the radar.
How shall I count the ways:
Pissed off ex
Pissed off neighbor
Pissed off co-worker
Nosey neighbor
Nosey doctor
Jilted sibling
Jilted child
and on and on the list goes.....
bohunr
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according to AI
No, AR pistol braces are not illegal. At the federal level, the ATF's 2023 stabilizing brace rule was completely vacated by federal courts. A brace-equipped AR is legally classified as a standard pistol and does not require a tax stamp or NFA registration.
Important Federal Guidelines
While braces are completely legal to own and attach to your AR pistol, keeping the firearm legally configured is important:
this means the one pictured above would be illegal
No, AR pistol braces are not illegal. At the federal level, the ATF's 2023 stabilizing brace rule was completely vacated by federal courts. A brace-equipped AR is legally classified as a standard pistol and does not require a tax stamp or NFA registration.
Important Federal Guidelines
While braces are completely legal to own and attach to your AR pistol, keeping the firearm legally configured is important:
- No Vertical Grips: Adding a vertical forward grip (VFG) to a pistol can reclassify it under federal law. Angled foregrips (AFGs) or handstops are generally fine.
- Length of Pull: For adjustable braces, the length of pull (measured from the trigger to the back of the brace) should remain under 13.5 inches.
this means the one pictured above would be illegal
Sgt_Mike
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Good Lord really ??????
Just another shrill yelling about something thing they know NOTHING about (talking about the youtuber in the video).
The Supreme Court has NOT ruled for or against pistol braces.
It is true the 5th and 8th circuit Has in fact vacated the position supposedly making it un enforceable, truth is the ATF can still charge a individual as the laws are currently written.
Understand these guys posting this stuff. It's all about money not truth or what ATF is or is not doing. It's about clicks and monetizing their channel
AS OF 28th of May this year the ATF has a proposed rule to completely REVERSE the pistol brace rule.
information PER ATF:
On January 13, 2023, the Attorney General signed the 2023 final rule, amending ATF's regulations to clarify when a rifle is designed, made, and intended to be fired from the shoulder. The 2023 final rule was published in the Federal Register and took effect on January 31, 2023. See88 FR 6478. Within weeks of the 2023 final rule's effective date, several lawsuits were filed, all alleging violations of the APA, among a variety of other grounds. ATF is now proposing to conform its regulations with the decisions in the above-described litigation.
Should this rule become final, individuals would be able to resume purchasing firearms with an attached “stabilizing brace” as the public had done prior to the 2023 final rule, as long as the firearm is not intended to be fired from the shoulder and does not fall within the statutory definition of “firearm” under the NFA. In the 2023 final rule that defined these as NFA firearms and thus required persons to register them, ATF estimated that a range of 3 million to 7 million firearms with attached stabilizing braces were manufactured between the years 2012 and 2021.[24] Since ATF does not know how many of these firearms would now be manufactured and sold once they are no longer regulated as NFA weapons, ATF is using 7 million firearms as the primary estimate because manufacturers would likely ramp up manufacturing and sales of these firearms in the public sphere. Furthermore, the 7 million figure would likely be most accurate within the foregoing range, as ATF anticipates the popularity and awareness of these firearms would be greater than when they were first manufactured and sold because they would no longer be NFA firearms. Since the primary estimate is 7 million over the course of 10 years, ATF estimates this would have an annual effect on 700,000 firearms.[25]
Due to the confusion generated by the 2023 final rule, the courts' conclusions that it was arbitrary and capricious, concerns about sufficient notice, and the benefits of case-by-case classifications based on the unique designs of each firearm, ATF proposes to rescind the changes made by the 2023 final rule and rely on the statutory language without further elaboration. Additionally, the proposed rule is necessary to conform ATF's regulatory provisions in parts 478 and 479 to the court decision vacating the rule. Following the rule's vacatur, ATF has been prevented from enforcing the rule nationwide, so revising the relevant definitions will provide clarity and confirm for regulated parties that the 2023 regulation change is no longer in effect. ATF has determined that it is a waste of resources to continue defending and trying to enforce the 2023 final rule.
Accordingly, this proposed rule would remove the revised portions of the regulatory definitions of “rifle” that further defined the term “designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder.” The regulatory definitions of “rifle” in 27 CFR 478.11 and 479.11 would be as they were prior to the 2023 final rule. The pre-2023 definition of “rifle” tracked the GCA's and NFA's statutory definitions and did not further define “designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder.”
Upon finalization of this rule, the resulting definition of “rifle” in § 478.11 would read, “A weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder, and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.” Likewise, upon finalization of this rule, the resulting definition of “rifle” in § 479.11 would read, “A weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire a fixed cartridge.”
here is the EXACT proposal:
1. The authority citation for 27 CFR part 478 continues to read as follows:
Authority: 5 U.S.C. 552(a); 18 U.S.C. 847, 921- 931; 44 U.S.C. 3504(h).
§ 478.11
Meaning of terms.
2. Amend § 478.11 definition of “rifle” by removing paragraphs (1) and (2).
3. The authority citation for 27 CFR part 479 continues to read as follows:
Authority: 26 U.S.C. 5812; 26 U.S.C. 5822; 26 U.S.C. 7801; 26 U.S.C. 7805.
§ 479.11
Meaning of terms.
4. Amend § 479.11 definition of “rifle” by removing paragraphs (1) and (2).
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Comment close about the 4th of August so if finalized I'm think September it will revoke the pistol brace rule. And returning the verbiage as exactly before the Pistol Brace rule
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Now for bump stocks the REVERSE RULE is FINAL
ATF does maintain a web site that they post new proposed rule on pretty regularly. Not coming to their defense, but truth is the truth
Just another shrill yelling about something thing they know NOTHING about (talking about the youtuber in the video).
The Supreme Court has NOT ruled for or against pistol braces.
It is true the 5th and 8th circuit Has in fact vacated the position supposedly making it un enforceable, truth is the ATF can still charge a individual as the laws are currently written.
Understand these guys posting this stuff. It's all about money not truth or what ATF is or is not doing. It's about clicks and monetizing their channel
AS OF 28th of May this year the ATF has a proposed rule to completely REVERSE the pistol brace rule.
information PER ATF:
On January 13, 2023, the Attorney General signed the 2023 final rule, amending ATF's regulations to clarify when a rifle is designed, made, and intended to be fired from the shoulder. The 2023 final rule was published in the Federal Register and took effect on January 31, 2023. See88 FR 6478. Within weeks of the 2023 final rule's effective date, several lawsuits were filed, all alleging violations of the APA, among a variety of other grounds. ATF is now proposing to conform its regulations with the decisions in the above-described litigation.
2. Population
Should this rule become final, individuals would be able to resume purchasing firearms with an attached “stabilizing brace” as the public had done prior to the 2023 final rule, as long as the firearm is not intended to be fired from the shoulder and does not fall within the statutory definition of “firearm” under the NFA. In the 2023 final rule that defined these as NFA firearms and thus required persons to register them, ATF estimated that a range of 3 million to 7 million firearms with attached stabilizing braces were manufactured between the years 2012 and 2021.[24] Since ATF does not know how many of these firearms would now be manufactured and sold once they are no longer regulated as NFA weapons, ATF is using 7 million firearms as the primary estimate because manufacturers would likely ramp up manufacturing and sales of these firearms in the public sphere. Furthermore, the 7 million figure would likely be most accurate within the foregoing range, as ATF anticipates the popularity and awareness of these firearms would be greater than when they were first manufactured and sold because they would no longer be NFA firearms. Since the primary estimate is 7 million over the course of 10 years, ATF estimates this would have an annual effect on 700,000 firearms.[25]
II. Proposed Rule
Due to the confusion generated by the 2023 final rule, the courts' conclusions that it was arbitrary and capricious, concerns about sufficient notice, and the benefits of case-by-case classifications based on the unique designs of each firearm, ATF proposes to rescind the changes made by the 2023 final rule and rely on the statutory language without further elaboration. Additionally, the proposed rule is necessary to conform ATF's regulatory provisions in parts 478 and 479 to the court decision vacating the rule. Following the rule's vacatur, ATF has been prevented from enforcing the rule nationwide, so revising the relevant definitions will provide clarity and confirm for regulated parties that the 2023 regulation change is no longer in effect. ATF has determined that it is a waste of resources to continue defending and trying to enforce the 2023 final rule.
Accordingly, this proposed rule would remove the revised portions of the regulatory definitions of “rifle” that further defined the term “designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder.” The regulatory definitions of “rifle” in 27 CFR 478.11 and 479.11 would be as they were prior to the 2023 final rule. The pre-2023 definition of “rifle” tracked the GCA's and NFA's statutory definitions and did not further define “designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder.”
Upon finalization of this rule, the resulting definition of “rifle” in § 478.11 would read, “A weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder, and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.” Likewise, upon finalization of this rule, the resulting definition of “rifle” in § 479.11 would read, “A weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire a fixed cartridge.”
here is the EXACT proposal:
PART 478—COMMERCE IN FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION
1. The authority citation for 27 CFR part 478 continues to read as follows:
Authority: 5 U.S.C. 552(a); 18 U.S.C. 847, 921- 931; 44 U.S.C. 3504(h).
§ 478.11
Meaning of terms.
2. Amend § 478.11 definition of “rifle” by removing paragraphs (1) and (2).
PART 479—MACHINE GUNS, DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES, AND CERTAIN OTHER FIREARMS
3. The authority citation for 27 CFR part 479 continues to read as follows:
Authority: 26 U.S.C. 5812; 26 U.S.C. 5822; 26 U.S.C. 7801; 26 U.S.C. 7805.
§ 479.11
Meaning of terms.
4. Amend § 479.11 definition of “rifle” by removing paragraphs (1) and (2).
_______________________________________________________________________________________
Comment close about the 4th of August so if finalized I'm think September it will revoke the pistol brace rule. And returning the verbiage as exactly before the Pistol Brace rule
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Now for bump stocks the REVERSE RULE is FINAL
- 1140-AA60: Revising Machine Gun Definition in Response to Supreme Court Decision - FINAL RULE ATF is removing two sentences from its three regulatory definitions of "machine gun" that previously incorporated bump stocks into those definitions. This action responds directly to the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Garland v. Cargill (2024), which held that semiautomatic rifles equipped with bump stocks do not satisfy the statutory definition of "machine gun" under the National Firearms Act. This rescission aligns ATF's regulatory text with the statute and the Court's binding legal interpretation.
ATF does maintain a web site that they post new proposed rule on pretty regularly. Not coming to their defense, but truth is the truth
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cropdamage
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CRS firearms guy is out of jail already ??! Time sure flies , when not paying attention to it.