ATN X-SIGHT 4K PRO 5-20X
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Kirsch
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6mm06 has one and hopefully will see your question. The other digital day/night scope competition is the Sightmark Wraith.
From what I know of the scopes the pros and cons are:
Xsight 4K:
1) Very good battery life
2) Audio and Video Recording
3) Rangefinder Integration
4) RAV recording function
5) Mounts well on Bolt Rifles as well due to shape
Wraith:
1) More affordable
2) Very good video recording quality
3) Good base IR Light
4) Known for good Customer Service
5) Very dependable
My main gripes about the Wraith are the focus knob which can be helped with a throw lever, and the base it comes with. There is a QD base available for the wraith but I haven't tried it yet. What is extremely impressive is the stability. I have harvested around 30 coyotes with it so far, and it just works. There have been no odd shut downs, or freezes, etc. I run mine off a battery pack and it can run all day long. I realize you asked about the 4K but wanted to provide some information on another comparable option.
If you do plan on buying the 4K, the one piece of advice I would probably give is I would lean towards the 3-14x vs the 5-20x. 5x is a lot of base magnification unless you hunt nothing but wide open plains and shoot everything at 150 yards+. Looks like PM user Rotty has a video of a coyote taken with the 3-14x here
From what I know of the scopes the pros and cons are:
Xsight 4K:
1) Very good battery life
2) Audio and Video Recording
3) Rangefinder Integration
4) RAV recording function
5) Mounts well on Bolt Rifles as well due to shape
Wraith:
1) More affordable
2) Very good video recording quality
3) Good base IR Light
4) Known for good Customer Service
5) Very dependable
My main gripes about the Wraith are the focus knob which can be helped with a throw lever, and the base it comes with. There is a QD base available for the wraith but I haven't tried it yet. What is extremely impressive is the stability. I have harvested around 30 coyotes with it so far, and it just works. There have been no odd shut downs, or freezes, etc. I run mine off a battery pack and it can run all day long. I realize you asked about the 4K but wanted to provide some information on another comparable option.
If you do plan on buying the 4K, the one piece of advice I would probably give is I would lean towards the 3-14x vs the 5-20x. 5x is a lot of base magnification unless you hunt nothing but wide open plains and shoot everything at 150 yards+. Looks like PM user Rotty has a video of a coyote taken with the 3-14x here
Burnsome...
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I've had the 3-14X version for two years now and have been totally satisfied with it for my needs, which is coyote elimination around my place. I think I have 19 down since I dived into predator hunting during this timeframe. The long battery life is great, and I just deleted all the extra bells and whistles which come with it. Prefer to put crosshairs on the target and send the bullet....gets the job done. Did upgrade to the IR850Pro light which is at least twice as powerful and also has the advantage of a rechargeable battery. Longest kill is 110 yards. Average is 60-70 over bait piles.
Building my 2nd night hunting rifle now, and might try the Wraith because of Kirsch' excellent reviews and videos which you can find on his posts.
To your question above, you'll need the IR light to see anything in darkness. I've tried hunting yotes by spotting them with a thermal and using a gun with a regular light. Doesnt work at least for me because the instant the light goes on they take off. With the digital NV and an IR light, they never know whats coming.
Building my 2nd night hunting rifle now, and might try the Wraith because of Kirsch' excellent reviews and videos which you can find on his posts.
To your question above, you'll need the IR light to see anything in darkness. I've tried hunting yotes by spotting them with a thermal and using a gun with a regular light. Doesnt work at least for me because the instant the light goes on they take off. With the digital NV and an IR light, they never know whats coming.
Originally Posted By: KirschIf you don't want to use a light whether standard light or IR, this is when you move to thermal. No lights and in my opinion the best coyote hunting asset available. However, you aren't talking about hundreds of dollars but thousands of dollars.
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6mm06
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Josebd,
I have had an ATN X-Sight 4k for a year now and it has served me very well at my coyote bait site. It has a lot of features that I don't use, and like Burnsome I turn most of them off. I like the scope overall and really don't have any complaints except one, and that is the video. What I see through the scope looks pretty darn good, but the video appears to have part of the scene move about within the main scene, if that makes any sense. Video quality is not as good as what the eye sees, but it's not bad. It's a simple one-button push to start and stop video. It also has sound, which I like.
The battery is unbelievable and seems to last forever the way I hunt. Believe it or not, but I have only charged it twice since I have had it. Since I use it at a bait site, I keep the scope turned off until I need it, which naturally makes it lasts a long time. If using it out calling, then no doubt it won't last as long, but it's advertised for 18 hours.
Since the scope accepts 30mm scope rings, it can be mounted lower to the bore than many night vision scopes, which aids in better trajectory. I am sighted spot on at 60 yards since that's the distance to my bait site, but recently I took a skunk at 142 yards with dead on hold. I didn't refocus from the 60 yard setting but still the view was good enough for shooting. The scope does have a ballistic calculator which is a very good feature to have, especially if you are hunting over bait such as for hogs or coyotes at various distances. I had the X-Sight 2 and used the calculator on hogs in Georgia, making head shots at all distances I hunted. I haven't tried the BC on the 4k yet, but I assume it will yield the same results.
The scope has a continuous zoom from 3-14x power, but as you may be aware, the further you zoom the more pixilated the view becomes. I can zoom to 5x without much loss, and going to maybe 7x is not bad, but beyond that it isn't as good. You can still see and could shoot on the higher magnifications, but the view just isn't as good.
One negative is that the scope has locked up on me perhaps 3 or 4 times in the last year, causing buttons to be unresponsive. I simply hold down the power button for maybe 10-15 seconds which powers the scope down. Turning the scope on is simple with a short press of the power button. It boots up quickly.
As Kirsch suggested, you may want to go for the lower power scope (3-14x) unless you will do most of your shooting at longer ranges. The narrow field of view of the 5-20x may be difficult.
With the exception of the video view and the lock up, I haven't found any other issues with the scope. It's more pricy compared to other digitals, but also it is packed full of features if a guy wants them, though I personally don’t with the exception of the ballistic calculator. I like the style, design and ease of use of the scope. Resolution is pretty good too.
I haven't used the Wraith, but it appears to be a very good scope as Kirsch's videos demonstrate. If we could only talk him into doing some night time video, but he has such a love affair with thermal that he can't seem to break away. LOL. The only thing that I personally don't like about the Wraith is that it doesn't record sound. I keep hoping future models will correct that. But if sound is of no concern to you, then the Wraith might be a good try. It's cheaper and appears to be a good scope. It has very good resolution from what I have seen in night time videos.
Below are some 4k videos of three coyotes I took recently to give you an idea of what it's like. I used a T-20 illuminator for these, but last night I used a TR-38 illuminator that I got from the UK. It has a 2,000 miliwatt pill that works great at longer ranges, though it is too bright at 60 yards on high beam. The ridge top in the videos at 160 yards is well lit up with that illuminator. I don't have video yet with the TR-38, but that hopefully will come later.
4k Coyote #1:
4k Coyote #2 & Skunk:
4k Coyote #3:
Bobcat Scenes:
Day & Night Scenes:
Hope this has been of some help and will give you an idea of the 4k. Regardless of your decision on a scope, you will enjoy night vision like the rest of us. It's addicting. Good hunting, and be sure to keep us posted how it goes.
Kirsch
Active member
Originally Posted By: josebdI was looking at updating the firmware for it,and there was a WARNING: Updating firmware from version 03.19.06 may result in loss of zeroing and profile information. It is recommended to manually record your zeroing information.
So,what do you do? When you site in a digital device like the Wraith or even a thermal, you mount your scope, and then take a shot. The scope has an X and Y coordinate for each rifle profile. If your bullet hits an inch high and an inch right, you adjust the crosshair to the point where the bullet hit. This gives you a new X and y such as X=4, and Y=4. The X and Y value are what they are saying you should write down. Then when you do the firmware update, if the numbers are different, you can move them back to the same value. I would still recommend your POI didn't move after the firmware update no matter if the X,Y changed or not. At the time I received my scope, the firmware was the most current version, so I haven't done an update to my Wraith yet.
So,what do you do? When you site in a digital device like the Wraith or even a thermal, you mount your scope, and then take a shot. The scope has an X and Y coordinate for each rifle profile. If your bullet hits an inch high and an inch right, you adjust the crosshair to the point where the bullet hit. This gives you a new X and y such as X=4, and Y=4. The X and Y value are what they are saying you should write down. Then when you do the firmware update, if the numbers are different, you can move them back to the same value. I would still recommend your POI didn't move after the firmware update no matter if the X,Y changed or not. At the time I received my scope, the firmware was the most current version, so I haven't done an update to my Wraith yet.
Ive had the 3-14 for maybe 1.5 years now I think.
Serves me well.
I've used it in the summer and in -30 degree temps.
I keep the firmware updated and really have had no issues.
They're are a few more advantages of the 4k over the wraith, battery life for one, eye relief for another.
With either one an aftermarket i.r. will make a big difference at night.
Check out our youtube channel Overdrive Outdoors for a bunch of videos
Serves me well.
I've used it in the summer and in -30 degree temps.
I keep the firmware updated and really have had no issues.
They're are a few more advantages of the 4k over the wraith, battery life for one, eye relief for another.
With either one an aftermarket i.r. will make a big difference at night.
Check out our youtube channel Overdrive Outdoors for a bunch of videos
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Yes it does come with an IR. The stock IR runs off of cr123’s. It is not a bad IR at all. I actually liked mine a lot until it broke and would not come on? Phone call to ATN and new one in the mail the next day! They also sent me the pro model as well! I use the 3x14 and it froze up once and would not power back on. I called them and they sent the program they flash them with. I re flashed mine and not had a problem since. Best customer service I have ever had. Both times I was talking to an actual person instantly and they want to take care of you when you call. I love my scope and have had fun using it. The battery life is great. I shot a coyote the other night that was right at 250 yards! He came in and I didn’t see him until he was leaving. I have some videos on my instagram page if you want to see them. No editing just what I got while hunting. Instagram is grizzcallz.
When i was deciding which scope to purchase .. The wraith or the atn 4k pro 3x14 .. the eye relief , battery life and field of view were the deciding factors .. The atn 4k has longer eye relief , battery life and wider fov. compared to the wraith .. I do not use or care about the many features the atn 4k has .. Everything that can be turned off is off .. When using the 4k pro i start the scope .. Turn on night mode .. Turn on the coyote cannon and let the good times roll .. When using the scope with all the features turned off the scope has never froze , failed or had any issues ..