AZ Coyote hunting and Rattlesnakes

Dirt Nap

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So I've done my fair share of coyote hunting in AZ and never have stumbled upon a snake. Today was the day!! While walking back to the truck, this diamondback was coiled up in the sand not making a sound. It was slightly buried so I never saw it until it struck at me. Scared the f out of me!! So my question is what do you guys wear to prevent getting bit? I always just hunt in camo pants and hunting boots. I've thought about getting taller boots or gators but is that enough?! I really would rather not wear chaps! Any ideas?
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I have worn Cabelas 15" Pinnacle boot for years. Very light, waterproof and zippered. Their link does not work but you can type in pinnacle snake boot @

http://www.cabelas.com/

I hope they are enough, but sometimes wonder. I run across some pretty good size snakes in my corner of the world.



Regards,
hm
 
Rattlesnake just killed a 39 year old with a bite to the ankle while he was putting wood on a camp fire here in Pennsylvania !
 
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I wear these. Haven't had the opportunity to test them out against a real bite but have been very happy with the fit, comfort, and added confidence they've given me walking through the thick stuff.
 
I was out yesterday just north of the valley calling and ran into a rattler as well, he was a little over 3 foot but sounded like he was 30!

I have encountered diamond backs all my life, have never had them not buzz at me and never had them chase me, although I have heard of it. I wear 8" Chippewa hunting boots, not sure if the leather is thick enough to stop a bite but I would imagine they could. During my time working in the emergency medical field in Er's I learned that most bites here in Az do not involve venom.

Just my thoughts
 
I wear a chap that goes over my pants. It's a short one below the knees. I'll go grab them and snap a pick. They make less noise than a full length chap. Some old feller at the hunting club gave them to me. He said he would never buy another pair of boots that weren't snake proof and he wouldn't be needing them.
 
regular uninsulated boots won't stop them.

One thing to think about is that older snakes have the ability to strike and not deliver the venom. In AZ, there are two kinds, Hemo toxin, and Nero toxin.

Hemo is an anti blood coagulant, and will make the affected area turn dark purple fast. the swelling is amazing too. Don't take your boot off.

Nero toxin affects your neurological network, making you appear drunk and disorentated. It is dangerous since the venom can affect basic functions such as breathing and can induce heart attack and other issues.

After being bitten, you can tell if you got venom by squeezing around the punchture, it's large enough that pressure will force some venom out, if you can, you can scrape it off the wound in a water bottle cap. The hospital can look at it in a scope and tell.

The next thing, i have a bottle of liquid benedryl in the truck, take a swig of that, if you have a dog and it gets bit, give it some of that too.

Typically, unless there are other issues health wise it's very rare for a rattle snake to kill a person. If you are bit go to the clinic or hospital, try and take the bottle cap, or pic of the snake. They don't have lots of anti venom, and don't want to use it unless it's for sure. They always seem to doubt you. (like you don't know what a rattlesnake looks like)

You can get the boots since most people (aside from the hand) are bitten on the toes, ankle, or low shin) Most people are amazingly bit on the hand, Dummies.

Snake proof boots are expensive, but if you are out there, and you know there are snakes out there. If you have been to urgent care, its $100 to walk in the door. Might as well get boots. There are gaiters out there, but that isn't going to help your toes.

I have been bit a couple of times. Not good, but you will live. Stay calm, sqeeze out the venom right after shooting it. Then wrap something around the leg just above the wound and tie it tight, then put something on the wound. Go to hospital.

It's also the reason that i don't hunt until it's cooler out. It's just not worth it. I do walk along with my shotgun barrel out infront of me down low to the ground. Snakes will strike at the closest thing to them. I have over the past few years had a snake strike at the barrel. Ironically they are right infront of the barel as soon as that fails, easy to shoot then. I just tuck the stock under my arm pit and let the barrel hang down. (if you do hear a buzz, you will know that sound, don't move, look for the white and black zebra tail)

I always carry some bird shot shells in the gun, Shell #4 in the gun. I cycle the gun a couple of times until the bird shot is in and fire. You would be surprised at how fast you can work a pump shotgun when a rattlesnake is infront of you. I also back away from them in the spring, since that is the time they are clustered up. If you want more action then your underwear can handle, try shooting a rattle snake as its sunning it's self after hybernation. I did that and as the shot when off, that one turned into 4.. They huddle up to stay warm, and that first shot sent them in all directions. I was feeding the spare snake sheels (also known as #8 bird shot) in as fast as i could.

If you really don't want to mess with snakes, stay away from north west of Wikenburg, out by Alamo lake. I have never seem so many snakes as out there.
 
Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZ

They always seem to doubt you. (like you don't know what a rattlesnake looks like)



Most of us probably do but not everyone does.
A guy that I go to church with was telling last week how he killed a rattler on his back porch and asked if I wanted to see pics. I said sure! He proceeded to show me pictures of a beheaded gopher snake. I proceeded to enlarge the picture and showed them there was no rattles. He said it was wiggling it's tail like a rattler. I said wrong pattern, wrong head shape, and no rattles. Haha!
 
I had the same situation occur to me and my partner last year. We were coming out of a steep ravine and just as he cleared a bush a 4 1/2 footer lit up his siren! Didn't think twice about taking his head off with a load of Dead Coyote. My partner has had heart bypass surgery and I was a little concerned he didn't bust a blood vessel with all the excitement. He told me when we retrieved the snake that he probably wouldn't need his medication for a few days.
As for boots, I'm partial to Danners so thats what I went out and got, a pair of their snake boots. Of course, I haven't seen another snake since I started wearing them. The ironic part of it all, is I live on horse property and we've had 6 rattlesnakes this past year and a half at our place and I never wear boots when I'm at home.

Kevin
 
SE AZ, this little guy lit up right after my dog walked by it. It had a slight green tint, I thought it was a Mojave.



I thought that most american snakes fangs were too fragile to penetrate a boot.
 
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There are snake "gaiters" that you can get that are not as uncomfortable as full chaps. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Whitewate...7470&rid=20

http://www.cabelas.com/product/TurtleSki...6255&rid=20

I wear them if I am bird hunting because of having to bust through brush. The gaiters make it easier on the shins.

The most important thing is situational awareness and as T-Bone pointed out, how to react if you are hit. There are 13 species that live in Arizona so running into them is only a matter of time. During the heat of the day the tend to lay up in shaded areas. They like to come out at night, in the early morning and on humid days. Knowing that you just have to take it slow and watch what you are doing. Having gaiters or chaps doesn't protect other parts of your body and could provide a false sense of security. Gaiters and chaps don't protect your hands when you are reaching for a downed bird or climbing up a rock. You just have to remember that and be careful of reaching where you cannot see.

Rattlesnakes are literally EVERYWHERE in Az. But that is no reason to stay indoors. Many people bitten in AZ are bitten when they are trying to handle the snake. T-Bone got it right. The best way to handle them is to not handle them. Or use a shotgun...
 
I have not seen them a whole lot until this year:
May2nd out for a hike:
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Out hunting with my buddy. This one is not a rattler!
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This one out hunting sept 4th:
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Seeing all of them, I definitely need to get some protection for my legs. Threat is becoming very real. I don't always have quick access to a hospital.


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I typically just don;t hunt until they are slow or hibernating(or I hunt up North). If I HAVE to hunt, I wear gaiters. They work. I know from first hand experience. Hopefully I never get bit on the shoe though.....
 
years ago when I was co-producing Quest Hunting Videos, I contacted Rattler Brand Snake Chap Co. and had them send us some chaps for a early season hunting video... which they did...BUT... the guy told me that he only uses the Lacrosse Rubber Burly Boots when he goes hunting. He said that snakes cannot penetrate through rubber boots. I wear those boots all the time, and never had a strike, so I don't know if they work or not...and... I don't really want to be a test case...LOL. I always wanted to blow up a balloon and insert it into a rubber boot, and get a rattler to strike it to see what happens. Would the balloon pop or not? Maybe you guys out there in snake country can test this idea for me.
 
my mind = blown. was calling southern az and came 6" from stepping on one the other night after that big rain we had. he never rattled. i never hunt in the warmer months because of them. worst part was i missed 2 coyotes.
 


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