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I opened up a 3" Rem HD BB 1-1/2 oz load and it had 73 pellets in it. So the 3.5" Rem HD BB load should have about 85 pellets in it. So the 3.5" BB load should have right at 30 more pellets in it than the 3.5" HD T shot 1-5/8 oz load has. When you do your pattern tests, if you want to put a phone book or a catalog behind the pattern sheet so when you shoot your pattern tests you can check the penetration with the same shell. Shoot some different loads into the same catalog or phone book and then count how many pages deep the different pellets penetrated. I was amazed at how far the HD BB pellets out penetrated the copper coated lead BB pellets. I don't plan on shooting at our 25 to 35 lb coyotes at over 45 yards so the Rem HD BB's are about the perfect size and weight for the hunting I do.