best varmint rifle?

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i am looking to get a rifle i have a few gun for trade i love the looks of the ar type but is the accuracy as good as a bolt type?
i am now leaning toward bolt with the possibility of a dem in office i am not sure i want a new ar so it can be confiscated ya know also if i go bolt whats a good gun
i was looking at a Tikka T3 Varmint i am going in a .223 cal as thats all i need i hunt big game mostly with bow but have killed a few deer with my current .223 also i want a 1/8 twist because i can shoot the heavier bullets as i wanna try some 60 gr varmint grenades
i am stuck here and just want all of your Expert opinions lol
thanks in advance guys
 
Well I don't know about the dems confiscating guns... If they reinstate the assault weapon ban it just means you can't purchase AR's if I'm correct. AR's are every bit as accurate as a bolt gun. If you already have a .223 why not just get an AR? I've heard a lot of good things about the T3 Varmint. Either one would be fun but I'd lean towards the AR since you have a .223 already. I spent about $800 for a Model One kit and everything to get it ready to hunt with.
 
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AR's are every bit as accurate as a bolt gun.



I wouldn't go so far as to say that, unless you are talking about Remington bolt guns. LOL

But, a top quality AR can probably be expected to shoot as well as most of the better bolt guns. The heavier triggers make the AR's a bit more difficult to shoot up to their accuracy potential, though, for most people.
 
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AR's are every bit as accurate as a bolt gun.



I wouldn't go so far as to say that, unless you are talking about Remington bolt guns. LOL

But, a top quality AR can probably be expected to shoot as well as most of the better bolt guns. The heavier triggers make the AR's a bit more difficult to shoot up to their accuracy potential, though, for most people.



I was refering to guns in his price range.
 
Perhaps we should define what we expect as accuracy from the guns. From the Savages I have, and those of friends, I expect a heavy barreled .223 Rem., with handloads worked up for it, to be able to put 3 shots under .4" consistently at 100 yards. I have no experience with shooting factory loads from them and all my friends handload so I can't say what should be expected with factory loads, although I suspect they will be less accurate ...... as is the norm.
 
If you consider the ability of a fast follow up shot, as is sometimes needed, and the accuracy potential, most ARs with the right factory ammo will keep up with a bolt rifle.

I have a couple of custom built uppers that are exceptionally accurate and a couple of factory uppers that I had to experiment with several different factory brands to find the ideal cartridge before I started reloading...Ironically, my Colt AR loved the cheapest Federal HPs that I could find....and since I was using it for competition at the time and unable to recover the brass, it worked out perfectly..

As far as the AWB mentioned, it will depend on what is written in the bill and how extensive any enforcement is applied. The old '94 AWB just restricted the provisions of manufacture and sale availability....A new one could be totally different.
 
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If you consider the ability of a fast follow up shot, as is sometimes needed, and the accuracy potential, most ARs with the right factory ammo will keep up with a bolt rifle.

I have a couple of custom built uppers that are exceptionally accurate and a couple of factory uppers that I had to experiment with several different factory brands to find the ideal cartridge before I started reloading...Ironically, my Colt AR loved the cheapest Federal HPs that I could find....and since I was using it for competition at the time and unable to recover the brass, it worked out perfectly..

As far as the AWB mentioned, it will depend on what is written in the bill and how extensive any enforcement is applied. The old '94 AWB just restricted the provisions of manufacture and sale availability....A new one could be totally different.



What would you say he should expect from an AR in that price range, shooting decent factory ammo. Obviously, he may get an exceptionally bad one or an exceptionally good one, that's the chance you take when you buy any gun.
 
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What would you say he should expect from an AR in that price range, shooting decent factory ammo. Obviously, he may get an exceptionally bad one or an exceptionally good one, that's the chance you take when you buy any gun.



I think he could expect at least MOA with factory ammo which is plenty accurate for the capacity of the .223. MOA is still "Minute of Coyote" at 300-400 yds. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
I was lucky, I guess, and picked up a used DPMS 16" bull 1/9 barrel several years ago and it will digest, accurately, almost everything from the American Eagle to Black Hills that I put through it and my cost was $850 for it....

I used it in the DPMS 3-gun in 2005, Tactical Optic class, and did well enough to walk away with over $600 in prizes.. and this was a bone stock rifle...
 
First off there is no best when it comes to an $800 rifle, not nowadays anyways.

Lots of coyotes have run away from 223s at longer rangers because it's a medium range caliber. If you want to get real serious about this, get something a little more powerful like a 22-250 or the old Swift, they well both kill better at short or longer ranges.

Rapid firing rifles like an AR have a tendency of missing ( I mean the shooter does ) when a bunch of action starts. Believe me a bolt action rifle well take care of all the action you can handle.

If ARs are so accurate, why don't they win bench rest contest? ARs, have a place in predator calling.

Fact is they get a little to much attention that they don't deserve.

They are not going to out shoot a good bolt action, though some can shoot. All they really have is more fire power.

This is varmint/predator hunting game, your not trying to keep the enemys head down, maybe you are lol.

That's my old man opinion like it or not
 
If you have $800 to spend, you want to remember that you will want a scope on this rifle. A good scope will cost around $300 so you are down to $500. A CZ 527, Howa 1500,Remington 700 SPS, Remington 799,and possibly a Browning or Savage would fit in that range. There is also the Mossberg 100 or Stevens 200 that are more affordable. My personal choice would be the CZ but you won't go wrong with any of them.
 
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possibility of a dem in office


Thats all the more reason to buy a AR.
I have a Rock River in .223 and it will do sub half inch
 
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If you have $800 to spend, you want to remember that you will want a scope on this rifle. A good scope will cost around $300 so you are down to $500. A CZ 527, Howa 1500,Remington 700 SPS, Remington 799,and possibly a Browning or Savage would fit in that range. There is also the Mossberg 100 or Stevens 200 that are more affordable. My personal choice would be the CZ but you won't go wrong with any of them.



Thats good advice. You can find great shooting rifles for $500 or less. CZ, Savage, etc. Spending your money on a $700 or $800 rifle AR or Bolt dont matter if all you can afford to put on is a junk scope. Not allot of places to shoot a 300-400 yard coyote on this side of the country.
 
I have a Double Star AR-15 lower with a Model 1 upper on in with a 24" ER Shaw barrel on it. It will shoot as well on average as my old 112 Savage in .223 will. So much so that for this year's prairie dog hunt the only .223 that I am going to bring will be my AR. Not only will it shoot as well as my bolt gun will, but if I miss (/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif), OK, when I miss, I just take note of where the dust kicks up and pull the trigger again. The other guns that I bring along will be bolts, but that because they dont yet make the AR platform in .221 Fireball or 220 Swift!
 
i have a .223 h+r its for sale in classifieds i am selling it to get a new gun i want more than single shot. other than my 223 i only have a 10,12,16 and 20 ga shotguns and over under a 30-06 a compound bow the 223 is for yotes fox and crows and targets i rarely shoot over 250-300 on yotes so i wanna stick to a .223 plus i already have all the reloading supplies( bullets brass powder everything)
as far as follow ups all my shot guns are bolt and i can work them as fast as any pump gun and as fast as SOME semi autos my main concern here is accuracy, reliability the ar im looking at is an olympic arms k-8 targetmatch with a 20 in bbl 1-9 twist i can get the tikka t3 varmint with a 24 inch bbl in 1-8 twist -
is a stevens modle 200 as accurate as a tikka
or a cz or remmington 700 as accurate? or which bolt gun is the most accurate i should say?

i guess i have some reseach and thinking to do lol
thanks for all the good advice guys
 
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the 223 is for yotes fox and crows and targets



Are you sure you want to lug around a heavy barrel T3 Varmint for calling? I think there are some bolt .223's that you would enjoy roving around with more.

For an AR-15 in your range I would check with D-Tech here on the sponcer page.

Just some thoughts........good luck either way
 
savage makes very accurate guns,as does remington,if you reload you can get them to shoot .5 or less.i pillar bed all of mine,this will help.then i shoot berger bullets 30 and 40 grain.berger has reload data.
 
well the current gun i carry is a 24 in bull bbl h+r with a bipod and 4-16 scope gun weighs in a 13,lbs and 2 oz so the tikkas i looked at are way less even after i factor in the scope and bipods
 


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