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you guys are nuts lol /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif wolfer i tried just that quite a few years back. a buddie of mine caught one in a cage trap threw it in the horse trough to drown it. looked dead to me /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif . so i put my hand in and him out. but he wasnt and i got bit. i beat that sucker to dust with a shovel. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif a cuple hrs later i was escorted to the hospital by ploice. to get raebie shots. couldnt tell them what happened they wouldnt listen. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif told them it was scared and wet when it got me. they looked at me like i already had it.lol /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Randy