Bill Springfield Trigger Work

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I read on PM about the "magic" that Bill Springfield performed on AR triggers. Thought I would save some money from the cost of a Geissele trigger so I sent him the triggers from my RRA and my M & P 1522. Got them both back promptly. The M & P single stage was good with a promised 3.5 pound crisp break. The RRA two stage was totally inoperable. I called Bill and he said to send it back to him. The trigger again came back promptly but it was still totally inoperable. Repeated calls and e-mails have resulted in total avoidance from him.

I just thought I would post a buyer beware on this guy. I had to buy a new RRA trigger to use in my rifle. I'm now out well over $150 and am right back to where I started from trigger wise on my RRA rifle.
 
Thats too bad, I have one of his triggers and like it alot. I have head of a rare few of his triggers having problems, but I have never heard of him not fixing the problem. Keep trying to get ahold of him.

What do you mean by inoperable? What is it doing or not doing?

Keep us posted.

Ricky
 
I have had no work done by him, but have read other similar post regarding his trigger work on a 2 stage.
I was hoping for better feedback because I was also wanting my NM triggers lightened up, but have yet to find a reputable person to do trigger work on a NM 2 stage
 
Originally Posted By: ricky_arthurThats too bad, I have one of his triggers and like it alot. I have head of a rare few of his triggers having problems, but I have never heard of him not fixing the problem. Keep trying to get ahold of him.

What do you mean by inoperable? What is it doing or not doing?

Keep us posted.

Ricky

When I say inoperable I mean it will not work at all. I installed the trigger, cocked the hammer, released the safety and the hammer will not release when the trigger is pulled. The first time he sent it back to me I called him and he said to file off some of the metal he welded onto the rear of the trigger assembly. I told him that I paid him to work on the trigger and that I would rather just send it back to him for the "filing".
After Bill got the trigger back the second time he said he found nothing wrong with it. He said he polished it and it worked in his lower. I tried it in all three of my AR's and the results were the same. He also said there must be something wrong with my rifle. I have installed 5 different triggers in my RRA and they all function perfectly.

I understand that anybody can make mistakes. The difference between the good guys and the bad is the way they handle problems. Not returning my calls and e-mails and not honoring his written money back guarantee is bad business. Since having these issues I have done some searches on this guy and the internet is loaded with stories like mine about Bill Springfield. Some are far worse than mine. Hindsight is 20/20 but I wish I had done some research before I sent him my triggers.
 
I sold a guy an AR awhile back with a trigger I had just got back from Mr. Springfield. I hadn't installed it yet but mentioned it when I sold it. The guy was very unhappy, and said he had to completely rework the trigger. He's a custom call maker on here so I don't wanna mention any names. I didn't appreciate the fact that this fella's trigger job reflected poorly on me.
 
Does the safety work with the trigger in?
If the weld is too high it will not work.
I'm curious why you don't at least try to file a little of the weld off? It's very likely you have a lower that is on the high side of tolerances and a minor adjustment may be needed on the trigger.

Are you interested in selling the trigger? Send me a PM if you are. If not, I'd be happy to look at it for you. I bought the one trigger from Bill and liked it alot but realized I could do the same work myself so I have done my own triggers since then.

Ricky
 
Reports around the intertubes are some guys get great results from his work, some get total trash, just depends on the tolerance stacking on your particular Lower.

For the price, I would highly reccomend the JP Competition triggers. I have installed a couple of them and they are extremely simple to DIY. There is an included DVD to watch that runs you thru the process. The benefit of this is it is adjustable in the future if a problem develops. The same cannot always be said about a re-worked standard trigger, becuase the parts are not thru-hardened.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=405650
 
I just sent Bill the rough trigger in my BCM for the 4 lb duty rifle pull he recommended with the hammer lightening option, and after installation and a check with my pull gauge registered 64 oz. Do the math on that one. The break is very clean.
Happy customer here.
As stated in the above post, differences in center to center pin hole measurements on random samples of lowers by a plethora of manufacturers can make this an inexact science.
I think he does a pretty good job considering the volume of work put out.
About the only alternative is spending a lot of cash or doing it yourself.
 
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I sent Bill two triggers one worked fine it came off a Remington and was a single stage. The other came out of a Bushmaster predator it was a two stage but when it came back the hammer would not catch. Bill told me where to file and I finally got it to work but it only functions as a single stage now. When I called and asked about it he said it was only a single stage trigger. Strange it functioned as a two stage when I sent it to him. And Bushmaster advertises the predators to be two stage. I did not push the issue cause it does break light and crisp. But still irritated me by him trying to tell me it was not a two stage. If I had to do over I would have just paid the price and put a drop in Timney in it.
 
I think Meathunter and I have agreed and I will buy it from him and see if I can make it work, I'll post results either way. I'm curious if it is a tolerance problem or something else and I'm curious enough to buy it to find out.

Ricky
 
I'll give Bill an "A" for integrity.

When my only job did not perform as specified. I sent it back..he said worked in/on his platforms/scales..sent me a picture of the pull weight on his Lyman. Returned and offered me my money back, I declined as the trigger pull weight was the only issue and he had done other work/parts.

During this process I found Bill to be promptly responsive and non-defensive in the 4-5 e-mails we exchanged.

I still shoot the trigger and its > 4#. I was going for 2.5#.

Short of sending him my rifle I don't what what else either one of us could have done, so the "A" stands.
 
Bill finally responded after over a week. All he wants to do is keep tinkering with my trigger. I have asked for my money back twice in two e-mails and three times over the phone. Still no money back as per his written statement on his website. The guys on M4 carbine forum told me to stay away because of similar experiences. I didn't listen so I'm out $167 because of this. I am glad his work was good for the ones who liked it but he will never see another dime of my money. I am posting my experience everywhere I can.
 
I sent one to a guy that huskerhunter knows and was pleased with it. I had him only take it down to 4 lbs and didn't check it but it was much better. I may still have his email

Mike
 
Update;

After several weeks and a dozen or so e-mails I finally convinced Bill to honor his warranty as it is in writing on his website. He only returned a portion of the original charge so I started back in on him. In the end he finally even paid for the new trigger I had to buy.
 
Meat Hunter, I know what you mean. I had the same thing happen. I sent Bill my RR 2 stage to have it "weaked" and got it back and it didn't work. I emailed Bill and he got back to me and wanted me to file on it. Thats what I paid him to do so I sent it back. It came back a few days later and had the same problem. At this point I asked for my money back, several times to no avail. I discribed the problem that was occuring to him and it seemed that he didn't care. He wanted the trigger back again and even the lower. I wasn't going to do that and at this point I had lost all faith in the trigger. I talked with my local gun smith and after he looked at it he wouldn't touch it. He said it should be replaced. I asked Bill again for a refund of the fee he charged. He avoided my request and wanted me to send it back. At that point I gave up. Knowing that I would not be able to recommend is work.

He wrecked my nice factory 2 stage trigger. Fairness in conversation, it does fuction after I filed the spot weld off. Not as nice as it did before Bill worked on it or as nice as he discribes in his discription of his work on 2 stage triggers.

I know alot of people like his work on single stage triggers but I wouldn't send him a 2 stage ever again.
 
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