calling during daytime

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Mex3D

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hey, heres a question for you more experienced than me (everybody i guess)

i have gone coyote hunting a few times, but always during the night. i have some calls recorded on a cd and a tape, rabbit in distress and coyote hawls. at night, sometimes i use the distress sounds, and sometimes the howls. i have found that when i howl, the coyotes will respond, giving away their location, but when i use the distress call, the coyotes more likely will come running towards the call without making any sounds.

anyways, im planning a day hunt with a couple of friends. i will probably use a rifle, but we are mostly bowhunters. i think we will go about an hour or so before sunset. the question is, what calls to use?? do you use howlers during the daytime?? i have never heard a coyote hawling during the day, so i dont know if thats a good idea or not. the only time i called during the day, i used a rabbit in distress call, and i got 2 dogs running at me, but they noticed something weird and spooked. i have really no experience at all, so all the help will be appreciated.

thanx!!
 
Rabbit in distress. Also, get a couple of big feathers, tie a string onto the feathers and then when you go out tie the feathers to a bush or a tree branch 20 to 30 yards away from you where the coyotes can see them. The feathers should move around with the breeze and act like a decoy. Yhe idea is that the coyotes come to the rabbit sound, see the feathers blowing around and don't look at you, pulling the trigger.
 
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but they noticed something weird and spooked.



More than likely they smelled you if you wear full camo and spray down with some cover scent you should be able to get them close enough to get a good shot. Wind direction is more important than cover scents, try your best to keep the wind in your face. As far as calls go get a mouse squeaker, it will bring on in if they hang up on the rabbit distress.
 
Mex3D--Most of (98%) of my calling is done during the daylight hours. We can't use artificial light during predator hunting, so about the only time the night hunting works is when the moon is full and there is a nice bright white covering of snow on the ground.

Anyway, I use both prey distress sounds (rabbit, bird, rodent) as well as howling during my daylight hour calling. Just last Tuesday, I used a mix of jackrabbit distress, coyote interrogation howls, and female invitation howls from the FoxPro and also used an open reed mouth call to do coyote barks to try to get the coyote to stop and also used the wounded coyote distress or pup distress sounds on the mouth call to stop them as well.

Just make sure you sit/lay dead still when you have a coyote coming in. Even when they are trotting in, they seem to be able to spot movement pretty easily. If they are looking away, you can usually get by with some movement and that is what CactusRat is trying to accomplish with the moving feathers. Those feathers may get the coyote's attention off of you (where the sound is coming from) and get it riveted on the feathers so you can do some slow moving to get the rifle in postition, etc. This situation is the big reason I like the e-callers. You get the sound out away from you 25 to 75 yards or so and if you had a decoy out there or the feathers moving about, then the coyote is usually homing in on that spot instead of where you are at 25 to 75 yards away.

The scent this is also very important and I always try to call into the wind or crosswind. Cover scents are still a mixed bag in my opinion. I don't think (just my opinion) that you are going to fool that coyote's nose with cover scents. If you use skunk scent the coyote is still going to smell human being scent mixed in with the skunk scent and then he's got you figured out as a skunky smelling human being.
 
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spray down with some cover scent



And if you do use cover scent, good grief, don't spray yourself down with it! Jeez, ya want to smell like skunk, coon, or fox pee all day? You might not get back into your house if the little lady smells you... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
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The Coyote Doctors have experimented with night time calling, but the vast majority of our calling is done during the day. Like Sfox, we can't use lights where we hunt. We have called coyotes in using ONLY howls at every hour of the day in the past few years. If you are going out an hour before sunset, that is an excellent time to howl. They will come to the howl (or do for us) and they may or may not answer you before coming in. So just because you don't hear one answer, don't give up on the stand.

Howled coyotes sometimes take awhile to get to you and will usually not come charging in like those do that come to a distress sound. The difference in hunting during the day is you won't have those glowing eyes to help you spot the ones that come in. That means you have to be very observant and keep your movements to a minimum or they may spot you first.

Camoflage and breaking up your outline is also vital during daylight calling. Leave the cover scents at home and select a stand where you have great visibility and can call into the wind while blending into the terrain. You will do just fine calling at any time during the day if you follow those rules. Especially right around sunset.
Good Luck,
Doc
 
thanx a lot for your help.

the time i called during daylight, was the first time i was calling. i got inside a dry stream thats about 1 meter wide and 1 and 1/2 meter deep, and very long. i placed the caaset player 50 meters in front of me, sorrounded by pig's liver. to my back i had a thick wall of bushes. well the dog came from behind the bushes. he was running at a fast pace, and he got so close i could hear his footsteps in the dry grass. this being my first time, i quickly turned back. i bet if he wasnt spooked before, i spooked him with my movement.

i hope we can go and kill us something this weekend, wish me luck!! the only coyote i have killed was practically over bait. a friend had access to one of the biggest chicken farms in the country, i think i heard its one of the biggest in latinamerica also, so they have a lot of dead chicken and broken eggs every day. they put all this dead chicken and eggs in huge holes, so all you had to do is walk about 100 meters from the chicken coops to the holes, and shoot. there would be about 3 or 4 coyotes there every time. the first time i went i killed one shooting from the back of the truck, and the second one i tried a free handed shoot because i was testing a cordless spotlight. then my friend had some problems and he isnt allowed in there anymore (he isnt my friend anymore either =p). so i want to get my first called-in coyote. i had been trying a couple of times by myself, but now i joined in here im sure i will learn a ton. thanx again!!
 
Hey 3D, I'm curious-what rifles are you allowed to use? Seems like I heard there were some pretty strict firearms restrictions in Mexico..

I'm guessing the coyotes don't get called much in the areas you hunt? They might be used to people being around if they're coming in to that chicken farm, so you may really stack 'em up when you get your setups right and find the sounds they want!

The cover scent thing always helps, but one thing I've learned is that if you can have the wind in your face, or even a cross-wind, that's the starting point. If you can have a pretty large open area to your downwind side, you'll see 'em if they try to circle to get your scent.

Lemme know if you want some Gringos to come down and help out!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
lol, well pyledriver, you are right, Mexico's gun laws suck. just so you get an idea, theres only ONE ammo store in this city. and the only ammo its allowed to sell is .22 and shotgun shells, 20, 12, .410, and 16. a box of 50 shots of .22 LR costs 50 pesos. 1 dollar = 10 pesos or so, so 1 box of ammo costs me around 5 dollars. i think you can get a brick for $5 dollars. also, theres just ONE brand, the national brand, and it sucks. i have brought some ammo from texas (risking my neck) and it is so much better than mexican bullets. plus, the ammo store is just that, an ammo store. it doesnt sells guns. i know it sounds ridiculous, but its true. so, i have a .22 we use for hare, and my cousin has a .22 Mag that we use for coyotes. i have uncles that have other rifles, .243, .270, 30-06, but they dont use them much anymore. you need to get your ammo directly from the soldiers, so its very expensive. and you need a lot of papers in order to get a transportation license. for instance, you need to be an active member of a shooting club, and the only club is about 1 hour away from the city.
thats why i began shooting bows, you can transport them without a problem. in fact i have been stopped by soldiers several times while traveling to tournaments, and they dont even know what a bow is. they ask if its a crossbow, and when i tell them it isnt, they let me go. the drawback is that i need to travel to Texas or New Mexico (3.5 hour drive, one way) to get archery supplies.

back to topic... i cant go anymore to the chicken farm, but my uncle has a ranch about 30 miles from my house, and he has some goats in there. he just called an hour ago saying the coyotes killed a small goat last night. the goat pen is about 50 meters from the house, so i think they are used to people. also, there are 2 dogs in the pen, so there must be a good number of coyotes. he wanted me to go today, but i cant, so ill call some bowhunter friends, and maybe well try and get some coyotes tomorrow or on tuesday.


thanx, and sorry for the long post!!! i had to vent, i get mad at the country every time i think about gun rules :S
 


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