calling during denning season

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Chaney2169

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looking for someone to possibly point me in the right direction for a calling sequence during denning season. right now i am doing the following

female interrogation howl 3-4 times
wait 5 min
some sort of distress for 5 mins or so
wait 5 min
pup distress
wait a couple minutes and then i finish with a group howl

any advice? i have called a few in over the last 3-4 hunts but i was wondering if there is anything that would help me out a little that i havent read about already. i am calling mainly at night also with a flextone flx1000 if that makes any difference. thanks
 
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If you wonder why your not getting a response, this is a pretty touchy subject. Seeing as your hunting at night it doesn't sound like your going to spend time trying to find the den and finish off the pups also.

Personally I don't hate any animal enough to take a chance on killing a nursing female and leaving the pups to die of dehydration. If your worried about depredation on game animals shoot the h--l out of them through out the winter and early spring and they won't be preying on game in the spring and won't have the pups. If you just want to hunt coyotes wait a couple months and you will have a lot more targets.
 
Originally Posted By: AWSIf you wonder why your not getting a response, this is a pretty touchy subject. Seeing as your hunting at night it doesn't sound like your going to spend time trying to find the den and finish off the pups also.

Personally I don't hate any animal enough to take a chance on killing a nursing female and leaving the pups to die of dehydration. If your worried about depredation on game animals shoot the h--l out of them through out the winter and early spring and they won't be preying on game in the spring and won't have the pups. If you just want to hunt coyotes wait a couple months and you will have a lot more targets.


I agree...let them raise their pups
 
Originally Posted By: AWSIf you wonder why your not getting a response, this is a pretty touchy subject. Seeing as your hunting at night it doesn't sound like your going to spend time trying to find the den and finish off the pups also.

Personally I don't hate any animal enough to take a chance on killing a nursing female and leaving the pups to die of dehydration. If your worried about depredation on game animals shoot the h--l out of them through out the winter and early spring and they won't be preying on game in the spring and won't have the pups. If you just want to hunt coyotes wait a couple months and you will have a lot more targets.
Agree with you.
 
They are actually killing the guys chickens, 13 of them in the last couple weeks, got the other guys calf as it was on its way out of the mom. They don't seem too concerned about letting their moms raise their calves? I'm sorry if I touched on an ethical type thing here but I'll be honest I don't care if I kill a pregnant coyote or a pup. I'm perfectly fine with it. Although I do it for the sport, I also do it to help the farmers who I am hunting their property
 
If your targeting some specific problem coyotes traps and snares work 24/7 because if you get busted one time odds are you aren't going to get a second chance and you can over call the place in short order. Doing effective control work involves a lot more than dropping in every couple weeks and calling a stand or two. He can loose a lot of chickens before you call the right one in.

And still you should make every effort to find the den.
 
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Originally Posted By: Chaney2169looking for someone to possibly point me in the right direction for a calling sequence during denning season. right now i am doing the following

female interrogation howl 3-4 times
wait 5 min
some sort of distress for 5 mins or so
wait 5 min
pup distress
wait a couple minutes and then i finish with a group howl

any advice? i have called a few in over the last 3-4 hunts but i was wondering if there is anything that would help me out a little that i havent read about already. i am calling mainly at night also with a flextone flx1000 if that makes any difference. thanks

If you called in a few the last three hunts then how many did you kill?
 
Killed 2 out of the last 4 I've called in but I've never really hunted hard in the spring that's why I was asking for advice. I read non stop and listen to predator podcasts but not much info on hunting the spring.
 
I've never been much for trapping. I don't have time to check the traps every day. I have 2 year old twin boys and a pregnant wife so i don't get much spare time.
 
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This time of year is very hard to get them to come in I find.
I almost never get a female dog now, If I do there old and are not nursing/dry.
I use male challenges a lot and Pup in distress is always a go to no mater what time of year.
"Food" calls are useless in my mind most time of the year, almost never use them anymore.
AS FAR AS KILLING THEM THIS TIME OF YEAR ...
It is a very affective way to control there populations.
I think there is no "Ethics" involved in control. Your out to kill them all or you will only be only be creating a highly educated super group of coyotes you will never get rid of.

Just my spin. BUT if it was me I'd try more male calls ....
Kill them all!!!
 
As i mentioned before, i listen to podcasts on coyote hunting all day while im at work and the other day either Al Morris or randy anderson said something that really stuck with me. He mentioned that if you have 100 coyotes on your property, you would have to kill 75 of them to keep the population the same the next year. This blew my mind.
 
Went out Sat. We worked hard at it all morning, calling and working into the wind. We got an answer early but couldn't bring it in. We worked our way up wind for a few more sets and came up empty. So we backed tracked and went down wind and around the valley, and started the sequence again. On the second set we were just down wind from the answers we were getting earlier. It took about 30 min. between some pup howls, and cries, when a dog came up out of the draw. She came up the hill to 50yds and rolled to a stop 10yds down hill. Wet female still had a nice fur.
 
Seems to me that this time of year they tend to get less interested in travelling far. I had a LOT of them howling at me this weekend but nobody interested in coming in to the call. That being said, if they are howling, try a bit of spot and stalk on them. I have had my partner stalk them while I continued the call and kept them howling so that he could get the shot.
 


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