Calling Sequences

[TheDoc]

Forgive me if this topic has been discussed over and over: calling sequences. I’m in a coyote drought, and am needing to expand my knowledge and mindset on sequences. My area does not have a great abundance of coyotes and the dogs we do have are very pressured. Lots of deer hunters and weekend warriors with FoxPros in their back pockets don’t help the cause. What are some sounds you guys would say fall under “sequence 101” and you hardly leave a stand without using? Sequence order? Any thoughts? Much appreciated.

 

[Hunter55]

Forgive me if this topic has been discussed over and over: calling sequences. I’m in a coyote drought, and am needing to expand my knowledge and mindset on sequences. My area does not have a great abundance of coyotes and the dogs we do have are very pressured. Lots of deer hunters and weekend warriors with FoxPros in their back pockets don’t help the cause. What are some sounds you guys would say fall under “sequence 101” and you hardly leave a stand without using? Sequence order? Any thoughts? Much appreciated.

If things ain't coming together or I think they're call weary I'll use something different like a ground hog distress, or prairie dog distress. Call 3-4 minutes wait 10-15 minutes, then hammer down on a lone male call for 3-4 howls. Just keep switching it up and don't over call, sometimes they just ain't there and ain't comin in, I don't want to make them call weary, stealth ain't a bad thing.

 

[TheDoc]

If things ain't coming together or I think they're call weary I'll use something different like a ground hog distress, or prairie dog distress. Call 3-4 minutes wait 10-15 minutes, then hammer down on a lone male call for 3-4 howls. Just keep switching it up and don't over call, sometimes they just ain't there and ain't comin in, I don't want to make them call weary, stealth ain't a bad thing.

Do you start the set with a howl, and use any coy distress or other coyote sounds before jumping into prey distress ?

 

[Hunter55]

Do you start the set with a howl, and use any coy distress or other coyote sounds before jumping into prey distress ?

personally I always use a LOW volume distress call in the event one is close. The exception being, when I'm waiting and hear coyotes blow up, then I'll go back to them with a lone howl, etc. There's ALOT of variations and sequences that work, and depends if they've been hunted, early or late in the year.

 

[K22-hornet]

"Lots of deer hunters and weekend warriors with FoxPros in their back pockets"...

Use a handcall.

I harbor no ill will to Foxpro, or Lucky Duck, or any E-call out there, but I am convinced that when an inexperienced caller does not set up right, and gets busted using 'Cottontail Distress', that particular coyote might be very difficult to call in again with that particular sound.

On one stand, many years ago, I was on a small rise overlooking a large sagebrush flat. All the sagebrush was short enough that a standing coyote would be visible. I started with my favorite handcall, a Sceery AP-6 Cottontail. After 15-20 minutes, I switched to an old Weems wood barreled Cottontail call. Almost immediately, a coyote gets up out on the flat, about 300yds out, and comes my way.

I know he heard the Sceery, but it did not interest him. My calling sequence was the same, both calls were Cottontail, but one worked and the other didn't.

 

[bohunr]

if they arent there when you are. make note of the time, they may be there earlier or even later. we have circled back around and stopped at places we called earlier in the night with nothing happening only to actually get responses and kill a few later in the night.

coyotes travel looking for food, it also doesnt hurt to have permission at several properties that border each other so you can approach at different times, different spot and use different sounds. DO NOT....hit the same spot at the same time each night and use the same sounds / sequence, they'll get use to it.

 

[Newpond0]

Forgive me if this topic has been discussed over and over: calling sequences. I’m in a coyote drought, and am needing to expand my knowledge and mindset on sequences. My area does not have a great abundance of coyotes and the dogs we do have are very pressured. Lots of deer hunters and weekend warriors with FoxPros in their back pockets don’t help the cause. What are some sounds you guys would say fall under “sequence 101” and you hardly leave a stand without using? Sequence order? Any thoughts? Much appreciated.

Welcome to the forum Doc. I’m no expert either, but are you sure it’s your call sequences? Can you describe for us in as much detail as possible your routine from opening the truck door until walking back to the truck after the set? and how you set up at your stand? And with all that hunting pressure are you coming down the same trails they do and calling the same openings? Or what adjustments are you making to that hunting pressure?

 

[AWS]

I've hunted some heavily called areas and found that finding spots no respectable coyote hunter would call and use small sounds far more effective than trying to find a sound that will draw them into what they view as a danger zone.

 

[LONEHOWL]

Agreed^

 

[wolverines]

Forgive me if this topic has been discussed over and over: calling sequences. I’m in a coyote drought, and am needing to expand my knowledge and mindset on sequences. My area does not have a great abundance of coyotes and the dogs we do have are very pressured. Lots of deer hunters and weekend warriors with FoxPros in their back pockets don’t help the cause. What are some sounds you guys would say fall under “sequence 101” and you hardly leave a stand without using? Sequence order? Any thoughts? Much appreciated.

Check out Tony Tebbe's Full Stands. It will give you an idea of some different sequence options you can try to emulate during various times of the year. I've had success with several of them in the past. It's nice for thermal hunting so you can just focus on scanning and not worry about the caller. With that said, I have limited spots to call, and I have found myself running the caller the conventional way as I don't want to keep using the same pre-recorded sequences over and over.

 

[derbyacresbob]

I don't use pre-set sequences because I don't want the sound to change or stop while a coyote is headed my way.

From what I have seen from calling coyotes on very large private ranches is, a coyote or coyotes that see you and or hears you shoot, or gets shot at after playing 2 or 3 sounds will be leery of coming into ANY sound.

If there are coyotes out there that know 10 different Foxpro or Lucky Duck sounds I don't think they will be charging in on your e-caller because they have not heard that new sound yet.

On these big ranches that I get to hunt it is harder to call in coyotes on my third and fourth time going through the ranch than it was on the first and second time going through the ranch. I am convinced that there are lots of coyotes out there that see me drive in and hear my calling sounds and then see me walk back to my hidden truck and watch me drive off. There are coyotes out there that get educated to calling and they have never been called in and shot at.

I don't start out with coyote vocals because I believe lots of coyotes don't want to confront other coyotes.

In the areas I hunt there are lots of Kangaroo Rats and ground squirrels so I use Adult Rat Distress and Prairied Dog distress to start out my calling stands.

 

[Newpond0]

I don't start out with coyote vocals because I believe lots of coyotes don't want to confront other coyotes.

I haven’t tried it but I have a dvd from wildlife tech about coyotes. His system emphasizes figuring out where the coyotes are first, and then going inside of their territory and using coyote vocals to portray yourself as a new coyote. He gives specific sequences to basically make them feel there is an intruder in their territory, maybe add in a prey distress next to send the message the new coyote is eating THEIR food, then add weakness or beta coyote noises to make them realize you’re actually a wimp coyote and they should be able to kick your butt outta there. He says they’ll come if you do that as long as you’re up close and personal inside their personal space (+ playing his sounds on his caller.) I’ve also read that his sounds and caller works extremely well. The seasons may affect this style for example breeding season or when the pups are born getting a little too close to the pups

 

[Infidel 762]

I don't use pre-set sequences because I don't want the sound to change or stop while a coyote is headed my way.

From what I have seen from calling coyotes on very large private ranches is, a coyote or coyotes that see you and or hears you shoot, or gets shot at after playing 2 or 3 sounds will be leery of coming into ANY sound.

If there are coyotes out there that know 10 different Foxpro or Lucky Duck sounds I don't think they will be charging in on your e-caller because they have not heard that new sound yet.

On these big ranches that I get to hunt it is harder to call in coyotes on my third and fourth time going through the ranch than it was on the first and second time going through the ranch. I am convinced that there are lots of coyotes out there that see me drive in and hear my calling sounds and then see me walk back to my hidden truck and watch me drive off. There are coyotes out there that get educated to calling and they have never been called in and shot at.

I don't start out with coyote vocals because I believe lots of coyotes don't want to confront other coyotes.

In the areas I hunt there are lots of Kangaroo Rats and ground squirrels so I use Adult Rat Distress and Prairied Dog distress to start out my calling stands.

Exactly. A lot of hunters are constantly buying new sounds thinking that new sound is going to make a difference. There are certain sounds that trigger them more often than others. Buying new sounds I don’t have the confidence in over the old ones I have that I know work. Same with presets, I don’t want it switching as a coyote is coming in-like you said and I also like to just feel out the situation and play what impulsively comes to mind at the time.

 

[AWS]

I've literally spent hours on the phone with the owner of WT(RIP) and just because something works it isn't gospel. I will say I really like the WT remote, so simple.

Like DAB I usually run a single sound, rarely use vocals as I'm usually hunting tighter cover and I often the coyotes I'm calling are quite close.

 

[DoubleLungRage]

I've literally spent hours on the phone with the owner of WT(RIP) and just because something works it isn't gospel. I will say I really like the WT remote, so simple.

Like DAB I usually run a single sound, rarely use vocals as I'm usually hunting tighter cover and I often the coyotes I'm calling are quite close.

There was a time when I didn't use vocals then I started hitting stands where distresses were getting no responses yet as soon as I hit a vocal I'd have a coyote on the call within seconds. Obviously, they were close enough to hear the distress. Just not hungry, I guess.

 

[K22-hornet]

(quoteNewpond0)-His system emphasizes figuring out where the coyotes are first, and then going inside of their territory and using coyote vocals to portray yourself as a new coyote. He gives specific sequences to basically make them feel there is an intruder in their territory"

I've read the same thing about elk i.e."get inside the herd bulls comfort zone and send a challenge bugle. He'll come to chase away the interloper". I have to say, that has never, ever, worked for me. In just about every instance I tried it, the lead cow would take off and take the herd bull with..

Back to coyotes.

I am fortunate to be able to call areas where I can see for a long way, and years ago, I experimented with using different sounds when I could see a coyote committed to coming in.

If a cottontail call started them my way, and they hung up, I tried a jackrabbit call and they would start to come in again.

On numerous coyotes, I started them with Cottontail, switched to jackrabbit and finished them off with lip squeaks, just to see if different sounds mattered..

I'm convinced that once a coyote makes the commitment to come to a prey sound, switching prey sounds doesn't seem to matter, they still come in.

Coyotes are a fascinating animal. I can say, I have been hunting other game, wishing I were coyote hunting, but, it's very rare for me to be hunting coyotes wishing I was hunting other game, lol.

 

[Newpond0]

I've literally spent hours on the phone with the owner of WT(RIP) and just because something works it isn't gospel. I will say I really like the WT remote, so simple.

Like DAB I usually run a single sound, rarely use vocals as I'm usually hunting tighter cover and I often the coyotes I'm calling are quite close.

I’m extremely curious about that caller and those sounds and will probably end up buying one. Have you tried it with the sequences described in the dvd, getting inside their territory, and the super loud so they think you’re closer than you are? If so, please please please share your results of what happened

Edit: I asked the lady at WT if I could buy some sounds and download them to my Foxpro, she said can’t do it. Also R.I.P. Bill

 

[Newpond0]

(quoteNewpond0)-His system emphasizes figuring out where the coyotes are first, and then going inside of their territory and using coyote vocals to portray yourself as a new coyote. He gives specific sequences to basically make them feel there is an intruder in their territory"

I've read the same thing about elk i.e."get inside the herd bulls comfort zone and send a challenge bugle. He'll come to chase away the interloper". I have to say, that has never, ever, worked for me. In just about every instance I tried it, the lead cow would take off and take the herd bull with..

Back to coyotes.

I am fortunate to be able to call areas where I can see for a long way, and years ago, I experimented with using different sounds when I could see a coyote committed to coming in.

If a cottontail call started them my way, and they hung up, I tried a jackrabbit call and they would start to come in again.

On numerous coyotes, I started them with Cottontail, switched to jackrabbit and finished them off with lip squeaks, just to see if different sounds mattered..

I'm convinced that once a coyote makes the commitment to come to a prey sound, switching prey sounds doesn't seem to matter, they still come in.

Coyotes are a fascinating animal. I can say, I have been hunting other game, wishing I were coyote hunting, but, it's very rare for me to be hunting coyotes wishing I was hunting other game, lol.

To put it in context it’s been my first year hunting and I’m no expert, but is it possible the challenges were a little too strong, and that a weaker, smaller sounding male vocal giving could have brought up the alpha in that/those elk? Sounding like you should be no problem for him to handle?

Edit: if a person comes across like peewee Herman looking for a fistfight, he might have a lot more takers than if he looks like prime Rambo, especially in front of his woman

 

[hunt0168]

There was a time when I didn't use vocals then I started hitting stands where distresses were getting no responses yet as soon as I hit a vocal I'd have a coyote on the call within seconds. Obviously, they were close enough to hear the distress. Just not hungry, I guess.

Once I got serious about using vocals my responses and call ins greatly increased. I have definitely noticed there is an element of pressuring, or intruding on a Coyote’s comfort zone. Often you can get a vocal response without being able to get them to show. Push in closer, or reposition and they charge in.

I’ve observed this with both vocals and distress sounds. Some boundaries are just tough to get them to cross. Some don’t want to tangle with other coyotes until there’s intrusion. Some we’ll never really know the reason? Actually, we’ll never know the reason. We can only speculate. But something in their makeup triggers.

 

[Spurchaser]

When using vocals, do y’all play more female vocals or male?