SteveM, I mostly hunt the wayne national forest. There's not much in the way of fields here, and what few there are are right along roads and houses. I went out the other night and just sat down at the edge of a field and howled, a few coyotes answered from about 200yds. I got excited and moved to face them and apparently they saw me cause I never seen or heard them again. I realize the biggest part is locating them, but when they won't talk, I just have to take a guess and setup whereever I can. I think I am bumping some on my setup, but have done everything I know of to avoid it. My vehicle and the woods are only sooo quiet. Anyways, I have taken the yotes to school around here, and they have graduated before me /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif