How many of you have rifles that shoot better dirty than clean. Seems my T/C Venture 308 may like a dirty barrel best. I hate not cleaning a rifle when I put it up but seems my best groups are coming after about 10 rounds to foul the barrel. I'm not sure if its the load or the barrel. I loaded 12 rounds, 3 at 44,45,46,47grains of BLc-2 and a 165SST. The 44 and 45 grain groups sucked but the 46 was much better and the 47 grain group, all bullets were touching. Guess the only real way to find out is to do it over starting with a clean barrel. Yes???
Clean barrel vs dirty barrel accuracy
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46 is usually where the accuracy with c2 and 165 class bullets. I have seen barrels take 3 or so rounds that were quality barrels....cleaning solvent in the barrel?
Try putting two patches of lighter fluid or denatured alcohol through the barrel when you are through cleaning.
Try putting two patches of lighter fluid or denatured alcohol through the barrel when you are through cleaning.
Ackleyman, have you used naphtha in place of the lighter fluid for the same results? I guess I’m asking if naphtha is safe to use after patch out-wipeout with accelerator?
These cleaners feel like they leave just a little sticky feel. I would like to get this cleaner out better, then run a very light patch of oil down the barrel to finish.
These cleaners feel like they leave just a little sticky feel. I would like to get this cleaner out better, then run a very light patch of oil down the barrel to finish.
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Keith, you saw one of my barrels. I tend to scrub them pretty good. Just wondering if I need to back off a little. The T/C barrels do seem to clean up easy. Never any great amount of copper fouling. I use Butch's or just Hoppe's to clean with. Seems they clean up real easy.
Bowhntr6pt
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Originally Posted By: pyscodogThats a lot of rounds. I couldn't do that. No, I won't do that. I couldn't sleep at night.
I have an agency issued Rem 700 LTR... I go between 550-650 rounds between cleanings. Zero issues, spot on Cold Bore and follow up shots.
I have an agency issued Rem 700 LTR... I go between 550-650 rounds between cleanings. Zero issues, spot on Cold Bore and follow up shots.
orkan
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Originally Posted By: pyscodogThats a lot of rounds. I couldn't do that. No, I won't do that. I couldn't sleep at night. Do you get that emotional about tires on your vehicle?
They always sell new barrels... and unless you have one shooting truly in the .0's and .1's, it isn't as if there's anything special about that particular barrel, no matter the barrel.
https://forums.gunhive.com/topic/1685/dirty-barrel-experiments
Though I guess I do often forget that basically no one actually puts any appreciable round count down range. lol
They always sell new barrels... and unless you have one shooting truly in the .0's and .1's, it isn't as if there's anything special about that particular barrel, no matter the barrel.
https://forums.gunhive.com/topic/1685/dirty-barrel-experiments
Though I guess I do often forget that basically no one actually puts any appreciable round count down range. lol
Orkan, why do you have to be such a smart azz? I've been down this road with you before. I live on a fixed income and trashing a barrel for no good reason is pretty stupid IMO. Maybe someday you will find out about fixed income. I'm no smith so my gun work comes out of my pocket. And a T/C Venture isn't worth the price of a new barrel when a new T/C rifle is half the cost of a barrel job. And if its any of your business, ya, I get emotional about my tires when they cost a grand a set.
Winny Fan
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Originally Posted By: pyscodogOrkan, why do you have to be such a smart azz? I've been down this road with you before. I live on a fixed income and trashing a barrel for no good reason is pretty stupid IMO. Maybe someday you will find out about fixed income. I'm no smith so my gun work comes out of my pocket. And a T/C Venture isn't worth the price of a new barrel when a new T/C rifle is half the cost of a barrel job. And if its any of your business, ya, I get emotional about my tires when they cost a grand a set.
orkan
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Originally Posted By: pyscodogOrkan, why do you have to be such a smart azz? I've been down this road with you before. I live on a fixed income and trashing a barrel for no good reason is pretty stupid IMO. Maybe someday you will find out about fixed income. I'm no smith so my gun work comes out of my pocket. And a T/C Venture isn't worth the price of a new barrel when a new T/C rifle is half the cost of a barrel job. And if its any of your business, ya, I get emotional about my tires when they cost a grand a set.
Do you even have a concept of how insecure you come off, to get twisted about what I wrote? Do you think the facts should be suspended to suit your financial limitations?
I think not.
Barrels = tires. If you can't afford to shoot or drive, I guess maybe that explains why some people spend all their time posting on forums and have no round count or real experience.
I should go post on a racing forum all the time. Maybe I can get a nascar sponsorship because I saw a picture of a racecar on the internet once.
... and I wish my tires only cost a thousand bucks. lol
Do you even have a concept of how insecure you come off, to get twisted about what I wrote? Do you think the facts should be suspended to suit your financial limitations?
I think not.
Barrels = tires. If you can't afford to shoot or drive, I guess maybe that explains why some people spend all their time posting on forums and have no round count or real experience.
I should go post on a racing forum all the time. Maybe I can get a nascar sponsorship because I saw a picture of a racecar on the internet once.
... and I wish my tires only cost a thousand bucks. lol
Bowhntr6pt
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Originally Posted By: pyscodogI live on a fixed income and trashing a barrel for no good reason is pretty stupid IMO.... I'm no smith so my gun work comes out of my pocket.
You asked a simple and fair question and I gave you a REAL WORLD accurate answer based on first hand actual experience gained over some 20 plus years.
I shoot a lot, I train a lot, I've tracked multiple long guns via a log book (agency owned and personally owned) for YEARS with decent round counts, not just a weekend here and there shooting 10-20 rounds.
My paid job includes shooting a long gun accurately, at people if necessary, where a 1-shot kill is a must (ie: repeatable and reliable accuracy first shot down range)... my shooting does not garner me points, titles, or a trophy.
You can shoot many rifles, depending on chambering, for HUNDREDS of rounds between cleanings w/o causing ANY damage... now as far as super fast small bore to chamber ratio guns where the speeds, heat, and chamber pressures are higher, perhaps less round counts between cleanings is necessary.
If you actually shoot regularly and keep a accurate log book of the rifle's performance, you too will come to understand cleaning all the time is not necessary to maintain performance.
Try it...
You asked a simple and fair question and I gave you a REAL WORLD accurate answer based on first hand actual experience gained over some 20 plus years.
I shoot a lot, I train a lot, I've tracked multiple long guns via a log book (agency owned and personally owned) for YEARS with decent round counts, not just a weekend here and there shooting 10-20 rounds.
My paid job includes shooting a long gun accurately, at people if necessary, where a 1-shot kill is a must (ie: repeatable and reliable accuracy first shot down range)... my shooting does not garner me points, titles, or a trophy.
You can shoot many rifles, depending on chambering, for HUNDREDS of rounds between cleanings w/o causing ANY damage... now as far as super fast small bore to chamber ratio guns where the speeds, heat, and chamber pressures are higher, perhaps less round counts between cleanings is necessary.
If you actually shoot regularly and keep a accurate log book of the rifle's performance, you too will come to understand cleaning all the time is not necessary to maintain performance.
Try it...
orkan
Active member
Originally Posted By: pyscodogYour a real good example of why we keep loosing members.
LOL! HAHAHA!!!
Yeah, my 40 or so posts in the past year is why huh?
... and you didn't just do it once. Yet I'm the problem huh? Not the fact that you sit around here all day every day just WAITING to be offended and then lash out?
Yeah maybe.
LOL! HAHAHA!!!
Yeah, my 40 or so posts in the past year is why huh?
... and you didn't just do it once. Yet I'm the problem huh? Not the fact that you sit around here all day every day just WAITING to be offended and then lash out?
Yeah maybe.
Bowhntr6pt, not disagreeing with anyone how they clean or don't clean a barrel. I'm just saying its hard for me to put mine up dirty. I'm trying to work up a load and my groups are a lot better after I have put several rounds (10ish) through my rifle. Thats the reason I ask if the clean barrel is giving me false accuracy. This is a deer rifle that will be shot very little. It will be lucky to ever see 500 rounds.
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Bowhntr6pt
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Originally Posted By: pyscodogBowhntr6pt, not disagreeing with anyone how they clean or don't clean a barrel. I'm just saying its hard for me to put mine up dirty. I'm trying to work up a load and my groups are a lot better after I have put several rounds (10ish) through my rifle. Thats the reason I ask if the clean barrel is giving me false accuracy. This is a deer rifle that will be shot very little. It will be lucky to ever see 500 rounds.
You could just swab the chamber only after firing/range trip... and after the season is over, do a cleaning or just run a semi-damp patch down the bore for piece of mind.
After a good bore cleaning it's not uncommon for the barrel to settle down after 10 or 20 shots... some more, some less... but there "generally" is a slight difference in POA/POI as a barrel fouls and an increasing in performance.
Shoot/foul it to accuracy, then shoot until accuracy degrades. Swab the chamber and bore LIGHTLY to prevent rust.
If you're worried about ruining the barrel by doing so... stop... because you won't. I have A LOT of $$ in my personal rifles and I sleep well doing the above... like you. I don't have money to burn either.
You could just swab the chamber only after firing/range trip... and after the season is over, do a cleaning or just run a semi-damp patch down the bore for piece of mind.
After a good bore cleaning it's not uncommon for the barrel to settle down after 10 or 20 shots... some more, some less... but there "generally" is a slight difference in POA/POI as a barrel fouls and an increasing in performance.
Shoot/foul it to accuracy, then shoot until accuracy degrades. Swab the chamber and bore LIGHTLY to prevent rust.
If you're worried about ruining the barrel by doing so... stop... because you won't. I have A LOT of $$ in my personal rifles and I sleep well doing the above... like you. I don't have money to burn either.