Ahh ok, I guess I'm not familiar with the lanolin/liquid heet process, thanks for the info. Originally Posted By: yotekiller47Kooman, Schmidty is using the lanolin and liquid Heet to resize with. I haven't tried the car/ cleaner wax but use the dawn and lemishine with hot water. I rinse with cold water. They turn out fine. I'm like Kooman as I clean about every 8-10 tumblings . The gray color sounds like you are not using enough dawn. I try to rinse the pins and container well after each use.Surprised me how dirty the water was also. I would wash my container and pins and increase the dawn and see if that makes a change.