Cleaning the bore

pdhunter

pdhunter

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I have cleaned rifle bores for most of my life but have run in to this before. Looking for your thoughts on it.
This is a Rem. 700 22-250.
I cleaned it with gunzilla, but it wasn't coming clean. I have used Gunzilla on all of my firearms with good results.
Thinking it was dirter then normal , I went thur several sessions with wonder blue . After 2 days of working at it the patches still are coming out with black on the patches. The green copper color quite coming out after the first cleaning.
Thoughts ?
 
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I've never tried 'Gunzilla', so I don't know what to use for comparison..

I soak mine over night using the foaming bore cleaner with rifle standing on a folded wash cloth, muzzle down for drainage.

Once in a while I will have a stubborn spot of carbon (usually after a long range session) and I'll tackle it with a nylon brush and RemOil Bore cleaner/oil, using ten strokes each direction, and then patch it out...The stains are usually gone in about six patches after that...

I treat all my barrels with a product called "Corrosion-X" and it seems to help on any build up in the throat and barrel, as I get very little evidence of copper build up..
 
Might try getting a bottle of Butch's Bore Shine. I've been shootin and cleaning weapons for more than 48 years and just started using Butch's when I bought a new Ruger 22-250. Man does this stuff work better than anything I've ever used before! As to the coloration, wonder if you've got a build up inside the barrel from many many rounds. Have you looked down the barrel with a bore light to see if there are any uneven spots? If the barrel don't shine evenly, theres a build up or even that barrel may be on the brink of getting worn out if enough rounds have been fired through it, especially with "hot" loads.
 
Shynloco is right, there is nothing better the Butches Bore Clean. That stuff is amazing on carbon, copper and moly build up. Are you shooting moly? If so it has a tendancy to create a scaling build up if left unchecked. But Butches' will cut right through it.
 
I'm no expert!!! But Darrell Hollands video says as follows: Two alcohol patches down the barrell. Bronze brush with Barnes CR-10, 30 strokes wetting every 10 strokes. Two more alcohol patches. Bronze brush with Witches Brew (a aggressive cleaner with some grit) 9 strokes wetting every 3. Wet than dry alcohol patches untill clean. He says to really scrub the barrell aggressivly to get it all loose and out. I've done this for three years and it looks good under a bore scope. My two cents....Brent
 
Thanks for all ideas ! This was a new one on me so all your ideas will help.
I am not shooting moly's but have thought about it. pro's /con's.
Again thanks
 
I'm a Butch's fan also, I try not to use brushes and use nylon ones when I have too.
Moly: Tried it, hated it. You have to condition your bore with moly as well as having moly bullets. My problem, (with a 1000 yard match rifle) was at first it worked great, then the gun started opening up to shoot bigger and bigger groups. A moly user, told me that the moly had built up to the point it was detrimental to the accuracy. After a very aggresive cleaning session, and dumping the moly, everything returned to normal.
I will give moly this though, it's first cold bore clean shot, will have the same impact point as a warm fouled shot! This would be extremely helpful to a police sniper. But sure not worth the hassle to me.
Hope this helps, good shooting to you.
 
I shoot moly out of two of my guns. Both are for hunting. It does increase your cold bore accuracy. It has never caused a problem with me because I clean my guns every time i use them. It is like anyhting else, if left unchecked and uncleaned it will build up. But i find it helps my groups pull in that last 1/4 inch.
 
WIPE-OUT. It takes out everything overnight. I have foresaken almost all other products. wipe-out does it all.

I run montana extreme 50BMG (their baddest copper remover) after the wipe-out, and I get nothing but white patches.

Fill it with wipe-out and walk away,..then patch it out tomorrow.
 
Originally Posted By: JustCWIPE-OUT. It takes out everything overnight. I have foresaken almost all other products. wipe-out does it all.

I run montana extreme 50BMG (their baddest copper remover) after the wipe-out, and I get nothing but white patches.

Fill it with wipe-out and walk away,..then patch it out tomorrow.

I like Wipe Out and I've also used Patch Out with great results.
 
Quote:Who carries wipe out ?

I tracked it down at the gun show. Nobody in this (small) town had it on the shelf.
But you can order it on-line, if that's your only option.

I've been using it for 2 years. There's no brushing involved unless you've run 200+ rounds without cleaning. I've followed it up with both CR-10 and Sweet's copper solvent to check, and there was no copper left after the Wipe-Out and patches.
It got everything and didn't require any effort, other than the soak time.
So, that's all I use now.

Midway carries it. At least you can see a picture, so you know what to look for on the shelf:

Wipe-Out foaming bore cleaner
 
I soak the bore with the Wipe out overnight. Then I'll soak some Butch's. Then I'll soak some Sweets for 15 minutes to check for copper. Grizz
 
I'm a big fan of most of the foaming bore cleaners out there, they seem to do a real good job.

However, they are not the best on copper. Some people say you need to get every last bit of it out, some people don;t seem to think so. After finding out that the first shot from a clean bore is different then every thing else, including a cold bore but dirty shot, I don't know what to think. Ushally I clean mine as much as I can then fire a round before I go hunting. But that being said I'm lucky enough now to be able to get to a range that's more or less on my way home.
 
Since I've discovered Wipe-Out a couple of years ago I haven't used anything else except their Patch-Out and accelerator. BTW the first shot from my CZ out of a clean barrel only prints about a half inch away from the rest of the group at both 100 and 200 yds which is our clubs longest range. For coyotes that doesn't concern me at all. Dave
 
I found a recipe online for a homemade bore cleaner. I was skeptical at first, but when I saw how much cheaper it is too make, I decided to give it a try. It mixes a couple chemicals that you can pick up at any hardware store and costs pennies on the dollar when compared to other commercial cleaners. Well, after making a batch, I found out that it is a great cleaner. I am using less patches to get to a clean barrel than any other product I have used. I urge everyone to try it. If you are interested, just type "Ed's Red Homemade Bore Cleaner" into google and click on the first link. It is really great stuff.
 
Originally Posted By: JDewsnupShynloco is right, there is nothing better the Butches Bore Clean. That stuff is amazing on carbon, copper and moly build up. Are you shooting moly? If so it has a tendancy to create a scaling build up if left unchecked. But Butches' will cut right through it.

I use a 60 / 40 mix with Butches Bore Shine and Kroil. Apply, let soak, scrub, patch out, clean.
For a while I was just using wipe out, but found it does not work very well for removing carbon. It's great for copper but I had a 204 that developed a "carbon ring" when just using wipe out and accuracy went south after about 500 rds. It took about 10 scrubbing sessions with BBS & Kroil before the patches came out clean. I still use wipe out but in conjunction with the BBS & Kroil.
 
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