Coydog???

trapwv

trapwv

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I posted the story a while back but finally have the pic to post so I'll give a brief summary. A guy I know showed up at my house with this and wanted to see what I thought. He had seen this male, a normal sized coyote female, and some pups feeding on a horse carcass. Long story--he finally got the male. What do you guys think? It's tail is missing the end, old wound. I weighed it at 68lbs. It is much heavier and larger than any coyote I've seen or killed. The taxidermist has it now and says it is just a large coyote. I'd say coydog, what do you think?


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To me the face definitely looks like it has dog in it. Especialy when you weigh it in at 68lbs /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif...Has me sold.
 
nope sorry not buying it... i say yote.... its not uncommon for our eastern yotes to break 60lbs... dont get me wrong it dont happen all the time but it happens... the local hunt here has many weigh in each year well over 50... and he was so hungy he could ""eat a horse"
 
Coy-dog or cur-dog(feral). Hard to tell in the pic, but the pad on front paw looks to be kinda elongated, indicating some coyote influence.
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His tail, doesn't look "coyote" to me. Legs look a bit short as well. Little fur around the cheek/jaw area. Who knows for sure. I guess he's not all "coyote".

It would be interesting to have his DNA checked out.
 
Crappy picture, but IMHO, that is a dog, not a coyote. May well be feral, however, it is just a plain old dog.
 
You guys aren't saying anything I didn't think myself. I would have picked it up for the pic but it had so many woodticks on it that I didn't want to touch it. If you look at the lips, the black is mostly ticks. They were crawling to the mouth where it was warmer. Anyway, the leg bones are heavier than coyote, muzzle is shorter and heavier, head is blocky. As for the tail, it is missing part of it, so hard to say but I do not beleive it to be a coyote. Scary looking critter to pull from the sticks around my house. To make matters worse, he says his father killed one there two years ago they weighed at 72lbs. But that is another story. Take care all.
 
i have heard of a lot of people down my way (lewis county) killing these 80 # cyotes. i would have to see some sort of dna evidence to believe it. my black lab weighs 70 # and if i were to a cyote that was that big i would probably soil myself. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

BTW there is a certain sporting goods store down here that has a contest goign right now for the heaviest cyote. 41# had it as of saturday. goes out on 02/03/07. thought you might want to know /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
I have heard of the contest, a 46 won the last one. Killed with dogs. There were quite a few entries but no 80# yotes! They had two contests last year. The biggest I've killed was 35#, nothing to consider running down there. I finally will get to trap next week so maybe I'll get lucky. Take care.
 
Why sure thats a dog. Theres his leash and cable run under him. lol. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I dont know if that was intentional or not, just a bad idea for a picture like that. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
 
Did your buddy check for missing posters in the neighborhood? Reward for kid's pet might bring more than the pelt! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Trap,

I shot one with a bow several years back, that was running deer. One dog was barking several hundred yards off, and it was far off enough that I couldn't figure what it was actually barking at, but it sounded like it was on something.
Within seconds the doe blew right underneath my stand and was hauling. The dog barking was still way off, so I wondered why she was making steam like she was.
Within a few seconds I heard more ruckus in the brush, and a coydog/ or feral, pops out of the reeds on the scent line of the doe. Problem was, as soon as he hit my scent trail where I came in, he froze, skidding to stop.
He smartly circled my scentline and cut back in 90 degrees to pick up the does trail. The coy/feral dog apparently cut in on another issue of a domestic dog running a deer, as it appeared.
As soon as he cleared the brush, just before hitting her trial, I loosed an arrow through his ribs at about 20yds.

A yip, and a short sprint and he was down.
I'm originally from up around the northern part of NY, and over the years I've seen several coy-dogs killed by hunters & cars. Most looked like dogs, but with very noticeable minor differences. Usually it was tail, or facial differences, and some really looked like coyotes, but they were much larger and had the bigger footpads.

My kill looked like a longer haired reddish brown sheppard, and it looked more dog than coyote, but with the tail was definitely coyote. I could tell by the actions of it, that it was feral, never the less, and figured it to be a mix, but wasn't sure of it's origin at first, I was just sure that it was wild.

In NY it's legal for police or DEC officer's to shoot dogs running deer, and I was a Deputy at the time, so I was covered either way, but regardless, with the few seconds I had to observe it's actions and makeup, I was sure I was right.
I was so sure of it, that I would've shot it even if I wasn't a Deputy.

I got a lot of ribbing over "shooting some kid's puppy" as well, but when the tailgate dropped, my hunting buddies that were present all shut up and jaw's dropped.
"That's one ugly SOB" was the most common response.

Just to get a confirmation on it (as the ribbing would've never ended otherwise), a short trip over to the DEC wildlife biologist at the Avon office resulted in a verdict of "more dog than coyote, but it's definitely a mix".

Good post.....

Take care,
Bob
 
Handgunr--Sounds like you have run onto something like this before. Like I said in an earlier post, I do not beleive this thing to be coyote but it is either a coydog or feral. The WV DNR had a coyote seminar here and had photos of a verified coydog. They had coyotes of the same sex in a high fenced area and added a dog to see if they would in fact breed. Result was a litter of coydogs. The said they have also verified this to happen in the wild. They said that in most cases it has happened in areas where the coyote population is low. But anyway, if you guys would have seen this thing up close you would understand my interest in it. It is one mean, scary, looking critter. The canine teeth are huge and hooked backwards. Like I said earlier, it had so many ticks on it that I couldn't stand to touch it much. Add the fact that this guys father killed a similiar animal a few years back and that he said a normal looking female was running with it--makes me tend to lean towards coydog. Just wanted to share the story and photo and get some opinions. Take care all.
 
Here In jersey the eastern coyotes are that big . In fact fish and game has been doing dna tests that are prooveing that they are coyotes. I too would lean towards this being a coy dog But there are a good many coyotes in this state waying over 70 pounds.The explanation that they are giving is the strain of eastern coyotes shows evidence of the easterns being genetically linked to canadian grey wolves. I to have lab that ways around 95 pounds and have pictures of a coyote that I beleave to be a pure coyote that is at least 65 lbs.
 
It sure doesn't look 'all coyote' to me. Once you get past the unique looking coloration, there is some 'dog like' traits there.

I shot one, last year, that I personally feel isn't 'all coyote'. Coyote, CoyDog, Crosseyed CoyLassie, CoyWhatever...she's dead now. Here's some pics:


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Thanks for sharing....Tony
 


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