Coyotes Howling Back

wick_ss

wick_ss

New member
Hey everyone great site, just became a member. I hunt in Eastern Colorado and Western Kansas. So far in 09 I have called in and killed 7 yotes. All have come in silent though, (I mainly just howl, very little distress sounds.) On more than a dozen occasions this year I have had coyotes answer me but I have yet to call one in that's answered me. I've tried answering back, staying silent, and distress calling but nothing has come in that's howled at me first. Any thoughts??
 
My guess is that you are doing a locator howl. Bark or barks then a long howl that slowly falls off. Change that to a quick bark and a howl that ends suddenly at the peak. Pay close attention to how they howl back. They could be saying "Hey, were over here" or "Come over here and I'll bite your tail off" When I do a locate call and have one answer back, I give it a couple minutes and give a challenge call. My experience is once they committ to finding you, they don't howl any more, maybe a few barks and thats about it.
 
Sounds like great advise, most of my howls are long and drawn out. I'll try to challenge after I hear the next one.
Thanks for the input!!!
 
I went howling this morning. Gave a few Female invitation howls, then received a Coyote serenade in return. I then waited a moment, sent back a young male challenge howl. About 30 seconds later I had a lone Coyote howl and bark real loud coming from the same direction as the serenade. I couldn't see him yet, only heard him loud and clear around 75 yards away or so. He then circled to try and get down wind. As he was circling he stopped for a moment and I shot him with my .204 DRT. So that proves that they will come in after a serenade, and they will howl back at you as they come in. They will also stay silent though. Just gotta keep your eyes peeled.
 
Dog gone guys, we went out again this morning in eastern CO. We had groups howling at us all moring. We finally got one to come in on our 3rd set to an old Johnny Stewart ECaller playing the Vittals JackRabbit. Still can't get them to come in after they howl at us though. (This one came in silent of course to the JackRabbit). Any other thoughts out there? I tried silent, challenge howling, KiYi, everthing? Great morning though, just wish we could have got more shooting.
 
Coyotes will show up to a howl silent or after answering. One thing you may need to do is lengthen your time on stand. Not sure how long you are staying, but they come in much slower to a howl than a distress (usually, there are no absolutes in this game).
Be careful with the challenge howls. We always question using a howl that half of the coyotes may be scared of because the "maker" is the dominant coyote in the area.
Doc
 
I usually try and stay between 25-30 minutes. The last set yesterday was right at noon, I plaid the coyote locator tape on the Johnny Stewart Ecaller. An entire pack lit up straight up wind of us maybe 1/4 - 1/2 mile away, they all sounded very intense. They seranaded for about 30 full seconds!! There's no way they could have circled downwind without us seeing them. When this happens would you distress call or try to howl back?
 
I went out right at daylight this morning,set up and did 2 female invitations...Immediate serande from the far ridge about a 1/2 mile out,then a lone howl from the ridge to the right...

I kept quiet for about 10 minutes watching the far timberline...

Then I tried 1 invitation howl..

Immediate serande again,only this time just inside the timber and only a couple hundred yards from me..

I got fairly excited expecting to see a coyote come to the edge...The wind was blowing up the draw and didn't seem to be a problem...

Nothing for 10 minutes...I tried just a few seconds of Ki Yi pups,and waited...

And waited..

And waited some more..

Somehow they knew I guess as I never saw a flicker of movement...Not wanting to educate them more I slipped out...

This was my first attemt at howling...Fairly exciting for a few minutes anyway..

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Why would anyone use a challenge howl If the coyote did'nt challenge first? Sure you may get a few to come in but you may also be scareing more away by doing this..I like to keep my stands non-threatening till atleast a coyote starts to come in and challenges me first.. Dureing most of the year prey distress shouldbe used first then later on add coyotes vocals to youre stand. (Non-threatening) By doing it this way you can get the YOY dureing the middle of youre stand and then bring in an older coyote with other vocals on the same stand.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
Right on, but what would you recommend when a coyote pack serenades back to you. Would try and and use distress or try a non-challenging howl. I have been trying the distress calls and can't seem to get them to commit?
 
You could try giveing them a couple howls back and then just wait..You maybe out of their terr. so what you could do is wait them out and if you have some cover move in closer and try a couple lone howls.. Or come back a little later and make a different approach and get a little closer since you know where they are..
 
It's a risk trying a challange howl, because they probably won't respond to it if it's outside their territory. At least that's what I think.
But you located them, so you did make some headway.
You hunting anywhere around Sweethome?
I'm in Albany.
 
Thanks for the advise all, I've been calling coyotes for a few years but just started howling this past season. Man has it added some great success though. But all 6 coyotes I have howled in have come in silent. I almost get discouraged when I hear them answer me now!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I'm literally 0 for 15 over the last month at getting them to come in after they howl back to me. (I mainly hunt from Punkin Center in CO to Oakley, KS)
 
Wick
I only get on the board once a day (if lucky) so i'm just getting back to answer. Our experience for a long, long time was just the opposite. We only seemed to get the coyotes that answered. If we didn't get an answer we were discouraged. Then we figured out we were more patient when we knew coyotes were close. BINGO Change in success when howling!!

Be prepared to stay an hour if you hear them. We usually answer them back at least once, maybe more if things seem to not be progressing. We will certainly add distress sounds as time goes along, but only after being convinced they aren't coming without the "help".

As an example (granted an extreme example), we once sat for 2.5 hours communicating with a pack. They were close, but in cover and we just had the feeling that they were going to come in. They always answered so we knew they hadn't left the area. Finally we called in 5 (tried distress but it was howls at beginning and end) and got 2. Then called 2 back in and got another. Probably should have had more, but it was 0 degrees and we were so cold we were shaking by the time they gave us our first shot.

Thought i could share some first hand experience from over 25 years of calling.
Doc
 
Thanks a lot Doc, I don't believe we have ever sat for more than 40 minutes at a time. We you say you answer them back are you trying to answer with an interigation howl, a female invitation, or a challenge howl? I have heard that some guys try to make the same sound that the coyotes answered back made. Thanks again for the input.
 


Write your reply...
Back
Top