Did you know Remington factory ammo comes with three to four different primers in the same box of 20?

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My buddy bought two boxes of these the other day at farm and fleet. I was with him at the time. I normally reload for him but he was out of ammo and wanted to have me sight in his new rifle. I called Remington and talked to option 3 on ammo recalls. The rep said that the various colored primers were normal. The primers charges were all exactly the same but just different external color variations and told me just to shoot them. He said he'd been reloading for 48 years. I told him I'd been reloading for two decades and I called bs. I shot different POA with the various primers off my lead sled at 100 yards. The gold primers group shot low and right just a quarter to half inch low from center and the silver primers group shot an inch high dead center. I was shooting off my lead sled. So the primers internal charges are definitely not the same.

There are witness marks on a few of the casings as well like lake city brass. So after I looked again it seems there are possibly three different marked head stamps. I called back and talked with someone from option 4. They definitely wanted the ammo back and are having fed ex pick them up. I was told they will send out replacement ammo.

I also called the retailer a heads up to check the rest of their ammo and to get ahold of Remington.



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Wouldn't surprise me at all. Seems like quality control may be taking a 2nd seat to bottom line in recent years??? JMO based on the following incident I had w/blown primer & "factory" ammo.


Originally Posted By: hm1996At this point I felt quite fortunate that I did not have a slamfire as the primer on bolt face slammed against head of loaded rounds 3 times before I realized what the problem was!

On closer examination of the ammo, I find at least two different cases have been used (only opened one box so far).

The two cases used are: LC 11 w/o NATO symbol and no primer crimp, and LC 11 w/crimped primer and NATO symbol. I suspect the cases w/o NATO symbol to be softer brass of the two because both of those cases show ejector indentation on case head, one blew primer, other didn't.

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Here are case stats on the 5 fired rounds.

LC 11 w/o NATO stamp, blew primer: Exp. ring = .377", case wt.= 92.6 gr.
LC 11 w/0 NATO stamp, no blown primer: Exp ring=.376", case wt.= 93.0 gr.
Both cases showed distinct ejector imprint on case head.

Three LC 11 w/NATO stamp, no blown primers: All three Exp. rings=.375", case wt. 92.0; 92.7; 92.7 gr. respectively w/no ejector marking on case head.

Checked a couple of WW cases which have been fired ? times w/warm handloads and case exp. ring measured .3745" on both. Primer pockets still snug.

Anyone else have similar problems?

Full details here:
http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2258010

Regards,
hm
 
I am beginning to think that Stevie Wonder is QC at several places. The only qualifications for a QC person is maybe(?) showing up for work. The all mighty dollar is killing quality.
 
I would assume what happened is when Remington filed bankruptcy and closed one or more of their locations there was a bunch of pre primed brass laying around and all got thrown into the same pile. Never saw anything but a gold colored matching primer in a Remington case since I've been buying them in the late 70's untill today. Good thing I reload. Guess there is no such thing as lot numbers anyone with Remington ammo.
 
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Originally Posted By: hm1996Wouldn't surprise me at all. Seems like quality control may be taking a 2nd seat to bottom line in recent years??? JMO based on the following incident I had w/blown primer & "factory" ammo.


Originally Posted By: hm1996At this point I felt quite fortunate that I did not have a slamfire as the primer on bolt face slammed against head of loaded rounds 3 times before I realized what the problem was!

On closer examination of the ammo, I find at least two different cases have been used (only opened one box so far).

The two cases used are: LC 11 w/o NATO symbol and no primer crimp, and LC 11 w/crimped primer and NATO symbol. I suspect the cases w/o NATO symbol to be softer brass of the two because both of those cases show ejector indentation on case head, one blew primer, other didn't.

34930942933_a08c06e96e_c.jpg


Here are case stats on the 5 fired rounds.

LC 11 w/o NATO stamp, blew primer: Exp. ring = .377", case wt.= 92.6 gr.
LC 11 w/0 NATO stamp, no blown primer: Exp ring=.376", case wt.= 93.0 gr.
Both cases showed distinct ejector imprint on case head.

Three LC 11 w/NATO stamp, no blown primers: All three Exp. rings=.375", case wt. 92.0; 92.7; 92.7 gr. respectively w/no ejector marking on case head.

Checked a couple of WW cases which have been fired ? times w/warm handloads and case exp. ring measured .3745" on both. Primer pockets still snug.

Anyone else have similar problems?

Full details here:
http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2258010

Regards,
hm

I've seen mixed casings many of times with cheap mass produced 5.56 brass. I hate to say that's kind of common.
 
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Remington went from sending a fed ex truck to the house directly to pick up the ammo to asking my buddy to take it to fed ex to ship it himself. He called and raised heck twice. The rep said they have tried to email him a label but Remington said his email keeps getting kicked back to them. I told Remington I could just email photos and a receipt for him so they could either send replacement ammo but they avoided the question and said they would keep trying to email it. That was a three days ago and nothing has shown up for emails.
 
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I've seen many examples as shown above of mixed primers in the last couple of years and am perplexed by it. I don't buy anything loaded I only look at it, large law enforcement qualification shoots are a good example. Thank goodness I have been a reloader for about 55 years now and there are places to buy good components brass included.
 
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