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does the vinegar smell go away!? do you coat it with poly or wax afterwards? i asked this guy about coyotes in the area one time and he said he'd seen a few and if i wanted to go "toot on my whistle," /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif there were a couple farms down the road i could go to. i didn't have any whistles on me and i certainly don't "toot" anything. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif that's a great word. TOOOOOOOOT! nothing against you saying it i just find it amusing!