EOTech G33 Magnifier
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Coyotehunter_
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I saw a UTube Video about that combination of EOTECH sights. I think that together they weight almost 2 lbs.
Shipping weight on this combo is a little over 2lbs.
http://www.amazon.com/Eotech-HHS-EXPS3-4...=eotech+exps3-4
They do add weight to the AR15.
But to compare my Rock River Arms (RRA) Scope Dual Rings on single Riser and my Nikon M-223 4x16x43 600 BDC reticle scope weights a few ounces more.
My Ambush Firearms 5.56 AR15 from Daniel Defense's Ambush Firearms Hunting Subsidiarity company weights about 7.4 lbs and with the Nikon Scope and the RRA scope rings/riser add up to about 10 lbs total.
So both systems make the gun heavier.
Now a question for your since you already have the EOTECH EXPS3-4. I'm thinking about getting one of those for close in work on night time coyotes. If a coyote gets in close before I see it in the light I want something on my AR15 to be able to shoot up close and fast.
How well can you see at night with the EOTECH EXPS3-4. And if you were to use a light on the 1913 Picatinny rail of the AR15 will that let you see the coyotes at night using the EOTECH holographic sight?
I don't think my Nikon even when set to 4x (lowest Magnification Setting) will get on a close in coyote that's moving fast at night. Even with a Wicked 400 White light it would be hard to sight in on a fast moving close coyote on a night stand.
I've got some Magpul OEM Gen Two back up sights on my AR15 now but I have to take the Nikon Scope/RRA combo off the rifle to install the Rear Magpul BUS. I need a screw driver to take off and install both the RRA scope rings and the Magpul BUS.
I like the idea that the EOTECH EXPS3-4 has a quick attach/detach lever on it. And it can be used with the EOTECH or other night vision devices in the future as the buttons are on the side not the rear.
I need to do some research and find out more about this EOTECH sight and find a place to get a good price deal on the unit. I like the fact that one can add the night vision to it later or add the magnifier to it at a later time. I understand that the magnifier is 3x or 3.5 x and also has a quick detach level on it. And the magnifier device 3rd gen will flip over to the side and out of the way of the Holographic sight quickly or it can be quickly snapped back in place.
I'm at a point where I have to go to the range and zero the Nikon Scope with the AR15 and also get the Magpul BUS sights zeroed at the range.
If I had the EOTECH I could keep it on the rifle along with the Magpul back up sight maybe. I guess I can put the Magpul on the Back end of the Picatinny rail as far back as possible and then still use the EOTECH on the rail? Now if I add both the Magnifier and the Holographic sight I don't think I would have room to add the read Magpul BUS. Is that true?
As for the weight of the rifle I have a Magpul MS3 Sling, Magpul ASAP end plate and a Magpul RSA on the front 3" long Picatinny rail on the AR15 that can be used to carry the rifle over the shoulder or up front in a single point sling setup. The sling converts from a two point sling to a one point type sling. And then I'll be putting the AR15 on a Caldwell Magnum DeadShot FieldPod to support it while on the stand at night. I plan on setting up the FieldPod to use in the standing position so that I can walk around the FieldPod and swing the AR15 around 360 deg in case a coyote comes in from behind me or an unexpected angle.
Right now once I get the Magpul BUS and Nikon Scope zeroed in at the range I can use either one of them. I plan on using the Nikon during daylight hours in large fields and the Magpul BUS at night or in a heavy wooded area. IE for up close work with a light on the AR15 at night. I can also add the EOTech onto the rail and still use the MAGPUL Back up Sights as they are 1/3 co witness in the sights. So if the light fails to work on the EOTech I can still shoot with the Back Up sights without removing the EXPS3-4 or the G33 scope.
Shipping weight on this combo is a little over 2lbs.
http://www.amazon.com/Eotech-HHS-EXPS3-4...=eotech+exps3-4
They do add weight to the AR15.
But to compare my Rock River Arms (RRA) Scope Dual Rings on single Riser and my Nikon M-223 4x16x43 600 BDC reticle scope weights a few ounces more.
My Ambush Firearms 5.56 AR15 from Daniel Defense's Ambush Firearms Hunting Subsidiarity company weights about 7.4 lbs and with the Nikon Scope and the RRA scope rings/riser add up to about 10 lbs total.
So both systems make the gun heavier.
Now a question for your since you already have the EOTECH EXPS3-4. I'm thinking about getting one of those for close in work on night time coyotes. If a coyote gets in close before I see it in the light I want something on my AR15 to be able to shoot up close and fast.
How well can you see at night with the EOTECH EXPS3-4. And if you were to use a light on the 1913 Picatinny rail of the AR15 will that let you see the coyotes at night using the EOTECH holographic sight?
I don't think my Nikon even when set to 4x (lowest Magnification Setting) will get on a close in coyote that's moving fast at night. Even with a Wicked 400 White light it would be hard to sight in on a fast moving close coyote on a night stand.
I've got some Magpul OEM Gen Two back up sights on my AR15 now but I have to take the Nikon Scope/RRA combo off the rifle to install the Rear Magpul BUS. I need a screw driver to take off and install both the RRA scope rings and the Magpul BUS.
I like the idea that the EOTECH EXPS3-4 has a quick attach/detach lever on it. And it can be used with the EOTECH or other night vision devices in the future as the buttons are on the side not the rear.
I need to do some research and find out more about this EOTECH sight and find a place to get a good price deal on the unit. I like the fact that one can add the night vision to it later or add the magnifier to it at a later time. I understand that the magnifier is 3x or 3.5 x and also has a quick detach level on it. And the magnifier device 3rd gen will flip over to the side and out of the way of the Holographic sight quickly or it can be quickly snapped back in place.
I'm at a point where I have to go to the range and zero the Nikon Scope with the AR15 and also get the Magpul BUS sights zeroed at the range.
If I had the EOTECH I could keep it on the rifle along with the Magpul back up sight maybe. I guess I can put the Magpul on the Back end of the Picatinny rail as far back as possible and then still use the EOTECH on the rail? Now if I add both the Magnifier and the Holographic sight I don't think I would have room to add the read Magpul BUS. Is that true?
As for the weight of the rifle I have a Magpul MS3 Sling, Magpul ASAP end plate and a Magpul RSA on the front 3" long Picatinny rail on the AR15 that can be used to carry the rifle over the shoulder or up front in a single point sling setup. The sling converts from a two point sling to a one point type sling. And then I'll be putting the AR15 on a Caldwell Magnum DeadShot FieldPod to support it while on the stand at night. I plan on setting up the FieldPod to use in the standing position so that I can walk around the FieldPod and swing the AR15 around 360 deg in case a coyote comes in from behind me or an unexpected angle.
Right now once I get the Magpul BUS and Nikon Scope zeroed in at the range I can use either one of them. I plan on using the Nikon during daylight hours in large fields and the Magpul BUS at night or in a heavy wooded area. IE for up close work with a light on the AR15 at night. I can also add the EOTech onto the rail and still use the MAGPUL Back up Sights as they are 1/3 co witness in the sights. So if the light fails to work on the EOTech I can still shoot with the Back Up sights without removing the EXPS3-4 or the G33 scope.
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Tommy Roupe
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I have used the magnifier for 3 Gun competition and it is very fast. I have used the EOTech with out the magnifier to 308 yards on 8" plates in matches, but the magnifier does help alot. I have used the Primary Arms magnifier on a Larue mount for alot less than the price of the EOTech. Quality of the Primary Arms was very good in comparsone to the EOTech. PM me for a Primary Arms and Larue Mount that I have for sale if interested. It is spotless and has only be mounted for people to see.
Coyotehunter_
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Originally Posted By: Tommy Roupe I have used the magnifier for 3 Gun competition and it is very fast. I have used the EOTech with out the magnifier to 308 yards on 8" plates in matches, but the magnifier does help alot. I have used the Primary Arms magnifier on a Larue mount for alot less than the price of the EOTech. Quality of the Primary Arms was very good in comparsone to the EOTech. PM me for a Primary Arms and Larue Mount that I have for sale if interested. It is spotless and has only be mounted for people to see.
Does the Primary Arms Magnifier have a quick release mount like the G33 EOTECH magnifier?
Also does the Primary Arms Magnifier have the flip to the side feature that the G33 has?
I agree with you that the EOTECH is pretty expensive and if there is an equivalent that sells for less then that's a good thing for the consumers.
Does the Primary Arms Magnifier have a quick release mount like the G33 EOTECH magnifier?
Also does the Primary Arms Magnifier have the flip to the side feature that the G33 has?
I agree with you that the EOTECH is pretty expensive and if there is an equivalent that sells for less then that's a good thing for the consumers.
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Coyotehunter_
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I finally decided to purchase the EOTECH HHS1 system which includes the HWS EXPS3-4 and the G33 flip to side quick release magnifier
Actually both of these units are quick detach which I love.
As for the weight. I measured my rifle with the HHS1 system attached to the top rail and it weights in right at 9 lbs even.
Ambush Firearms lists my 5.56 cal AR15 of theirs at 7.4 lbs in their catalog. So I guess when I put the HHS1 system on the Ambush Firearms 5.56 AR15 it added 1.6 lbs. This is without the weapon loaded and no clip in the weapon. And there is a battery CR123 type in the EXPS3-4 unit.
I also had the Magpul MBUS front site on my weapon when I weighted it but that only weighs a ounce or two if that. It's the Gen II type that's a hard polymer plastic and not made out of metal. So it's relatively lighter in weight.
I have a RRA single piece scope mount and a Nikon M223 scope that I know weighs two pounds and when it's on my AR15 it weighs in at 10 lbs. So it's a pound heavier.
I'll be using the EOTCH day and night at short range and long range out to 300 yard. If I had better eye sight I'd use it out to 600 meters as it's designed to shoot that far.
The G33 only magnifies 3x but it's a great device.
I'm a fumble fingered guy at times and keep getting finger prints on the front glass of the EXPS3-4 unit. But I've got a bunch of the Nikon and Sunpack Lens Pens that clean the smudges off the glass easily. I say this because the G33 has a focal ring that allows you to adjust the focus for those of us how wear eye glasses. I was using this focal ring the other night and noticed that I could not get the 4 vertical red dots focused right. They have been focus perfectly the day before when I was playing with the unit in the house and looking out the back door window. The four vertical red dots were in perfect focus and so was the target down range. And at the rifle Range last Friday night I was shooting the 100 yard target and putting holes right next to each other within a 1/4" or less. So I knew that the focus on the red dots could be really good. I looked at the window on the EXPS3-4 and noticed the big finger print on the front glass. That's why I was having trouble getting the four red dots to focus properly. Once I cleaned the front glass on the EOTECH I was able to focus the red dots perfectly again.
So beware of finger prints on the glass. I carry Nice'n Clean Lens Wipes to clean my eye glasses and other optics.
Keeping the optics clean is good to having a good sight picture.
I found that my eye glass like to fog up at night when it's cold outside and I get out of the warm truck. My Nikon Rifel Scope also tend to fog up on the outside of the glass.
The inside of the Nikon is filled with dry nitrogen gas and so is the EOTECH HWS so they should not fog up on the inside of the optics. But the outside glass can get hot and cold and fog up unless you put an anti-fog type solution on it and even then they can fog up on you. So carry some type of cleaning soft cloth to wipe them clear when out in the field.
I've seen film of coyote hunter Randy Anderson hunting coyotes and wondering why is partner didn't shoot the coyote he called into them. His hunting partner could not see the coyote because his rifle scope fogged up on him.
Actually both of these units are quick detach which I love.
As for the weight. I measured my rifle with the HHS1 system attached to the top rail and it weights in right at 9 lbs even.
Ambush Firearms lists my 5.56 cal AR15 of theirs at 7.4 lbs in their catalog. So I guess when I put the HHS1 system on the Ambush Firearms 5.56 AR15 it added 1.6 lbs. This is without the weapon loaded and no clip in the weapon. And there is a battery CR123 type in the EXPS3-4 unit.
I also had the Magpul MBUS front site on my weapon when I weighted it but that only weighs a ounce or two if that. It's the Gen II type that's a hard polymer plastic and not made out of metal. So it's relatively lighter in weight.
I have a RRA single piece scope mount and a Nikon M223 scope that I know weighs two pounds and when it's on my AR15 it weighs in at 10 lbs. So it's a pound heavier.
I'll be using the EOTCH day and night at short range and long range out to 300 yard. If I had better eye sight I'd use it out to 600 meters as it's designed to shoot that far.
The G33 only magnifies 3x but it's a great device.
I'm a fumble fingered guy at times and keep getting finger prints on the front glass of the EXPS3-4 unit. But I've got a bunch of the Nikon and Sunpack Lens Pens that clean the smudges off the glass easily. I say this because the G33 has a focal ring that allows you to adjust the focus for those of us how wear eye glasses. I was using this focal ring the other night and noticed that I could not get the 4 vertical red dots focused right. They have been focus perfectly the day before when I was playing with the unit in the house and looking out the back door window. The four vertical red dots were in perfect focus and so was the target down range. And at the rifle Range last Friday night I was shooting the 100 yard target and putting holes right next to each other within a 1/4" or less. So I knew that the focus on the red dots could be really good. I looked at the window on the EXPS3-4 and noticed the big finger print on the front glass. That's why I was having trouble getting the four red dots to focus properly. Once I cleaned the front glass on the EOTECH I was able to focus the red dots perfectly again.
So beware of finger prints on the glass. I carry Nice'n Clean Lens Wipes to clean my eye glasses and other optics.
Keeping the optics clean is good to having a good sight picture.
I found that my eye glass like to fog up at night when it's cold outside and I get out of the warm truck. My Nikon Rifel Scope also tend to fog up on the outside of the glass.
The inside of the Nikon is filled with dry nitrogen gas and so is the EOTECH HWS so they should not fog up on the inside of the optics. But the outside glass can get hot and cold and fog up unless you put an anti-fog type solution on it and even then they can fog up on you. So carry some type of cleaning soft cloth to wipe them clear when out in the field.
I've seen film of coyote hunter Randy Anderson hunting coyotes and wondering why is partner didn't shoot the coyote he called into them. His hunting partner could not see the coyote because his rifle scope fogged up on him.
AzDiamondHeat
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As for less expensive options, I have a Vortex 3x magnifier in front of my eotech and I am happy with it.
Coyotehunter_
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The EOTECH system is much more capable of shooting good groups that I am. When I added a Lead Sled DFT to the equation my groups tighten up a lot at 200 yards. Even with my double vision and new Contacts I was shooting a group that I could cover with a quarter at 200 yards. I used the Federal American Eagle 55 gr FMJ bullets. They like my gun better than the 55 gr Hornady V Max and the Hornady HPBT 68 gr bullets. My group of three shots with the American Eagle 55 gr FMJ were all inside the bulls eye on the Shoot N C target. Bulls eye on this target is 3" in diameter.
Using the Lead sled to hold the rifle steady was the key. Now if only I could shoot like that without the aids. Shooting free hand I'm all over the place. But it's nice to know that the weapon system is capable of shooting tight groups.
I've been shooting a Bolt Action Remington long rile since the early 1970s and I know it's a very accurate gun that's won many competitions in it's class over the past. The 222 cartridge was always a great accurate cartridge for a long time. It still is.
Next few trips to the rifle range I'm going to play with the 22 Ruger semi automatic and my Remington 222.
Using the Lead sled to hold the rifle steady was the key. Now if only I could shoot like that without the aids. Shooting free hand I'm all over the place. But it's nice to know that the weapon system is capable of shooting tight groups.
I've been shooting a Bolt Action Remington long rile since the early 1970s and I know it's a very accurate gun that's won many competitions in it's class over the past. The 222 cartridge was always a great accurate cartridge for a long time. It still is.
Next few trips to the rifle range I'm going to play with the 22 Ruger semi automatic and my Remington 222.
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