Fast twist 22-250

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So once again work has slowed down and I'm stuck in the shop washing tractors and daydreaming about ways to spend money I don't have on guns I don't need.
With that being said has anyone ever built a 22-250 with a fast (1/9 1/8) twist barrel? And if so how was it on coyotes?
Without looking at any numbers I'm guessing it would be shooting the larger bullets somewhere just shy of the same velocities as the 224 valkyrie. With the heavy for caliber bullets I'd like to have a medium to long range coyote gun without having to tool up to reload a new caliber.
With owning a 22-250 and 220swift shooting the same weight bullets I'm trying to find a reason to justify keeping both besides the usual "because I want to" excuse.
 
I built a 8 twist 22-250 Ackley last year for shoot long range Rock chucks shooting 75 gr amax bullets and it flat launched them in the air good. I was shooting them at 3450 fps. out of a 26" barrel.
 
Originally Posted By: crittr gittrI built a 8 twist 22-250 Ackley last year for shoot long range Rock chucks shooting 75 gr amax bullets and it flat launched them in the air good. I was shooting them at 3450 fps. out of a 26" barrel.

There you go! That's how you do it right there. If you are going to build a .22/250 you may as well go ahead and make it a .22/250 AI and get all of the performance out of it that you can. Higher speeds and better case life too? Win/win applies here.

Had I not been shooting a .220 Swift for the last 45 years and was looking for hot stepper these days the .22/250 AI with a fast twist would be the way that I go. I have a Rem 700 in standard .22/250 and though it's a shooter it stays in the safe most of the time.
 
Originally Posted By: crittr gittrI built a 8 twist 22-250 Ackley last year for shoot long range Rock chucks shooting 75 gr amax bullets and it flat launched them in the air good. I was shooting them at 3450 fps. out of a 26" barrel.

Well now that sounds pretty interesting! I like the sound of that. How long of a barrel did you put on it? Ever shoot coyotes with it?
 
You're already setup to load for 22-250 so I understand why you'd want to stay with that cartridge. With that size case capacity I don't know that I would go any faster than a 9tw or shoot anything heavier than about a 75gr. You can go faster and shoot heavier but IMO the 80-80+ grain bullets are better suited for the larger cases like 22-250AI, 22Creedmoor, 220 Swift Ack Imp, 22-243, 22-243AI, and 22-6mm.

If you wanted to do something different I would skip past the 22-250AI and go 22 Creedmoor instead. They are nearly ballistic twins except the 22-250AI requires fireforming while the 22 Creedmoor does not and with powder, primers, and bullets getting harder to come by and much more expensive, not to mention an already shorter barrel life, why would you fireform when you can have the exact same thing without the added work and expense.

Are you set on a fast twist 22 caliber something because if you're not there are a lot of really fast stepping .243/6mm out there you could build as well.
 
I don't understand the BUT YOU HAVE TO FIRE FORM THEM whine. I load my 22-250 brass to a max load and touching the rifling and shoot them in my 22-250AI. They are shooting sub 1" at 100 yards off the bench so plenty accurate enough to hunt with. NO loss of powder and primers or bullets so no problem.
 
Tikka a few years back offered the Tikka lite in a .22-250 with a 1-8 twist. I have one and have played with it. Being it's a Tikka, their factory barrel are known to be slow. With that said, I'm able to get a 75 gr bullet up to 3,240 fps out of its 22.5" barrel. It's a great setup for longer shots or windy days. I've thought about going 22 Creedmoor. However, I'm already setup in .22-250 dies and brass and I don't think I need any more speed or less barrel life.
 
I've got 10 here, all have 8 twist barrels, and I believe I've posted a lot about them in the past, or should say got a lot of questions about them.

6 Have Hardy CF barrels @ 18" one has a Barlein M24 @ 18", two have a GW CF at 18" and another has a GW SS M24 @ 18"

Honestly it's nothing new to us as we've been running them for years now. Great shooters, and awesome coyote killers.

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Another suggestion. Why not just pick up a 243 Win and shoot the same size bullet you would with a 22-250 slow twist? I say that because I shoot a 220 Swift but wanted something that would sit between that rifle and my 7mm RUM, that I could easily use for varmints but also deer and antelope size game.

I bought a 243 Win and worked up a load for it using the Barnes 80 gr TTSX bullet. I am extremely happy with it and now have a very good crossover, multi-species calibered rifle.

Just something else for you to think about.
 
Originally Posted By: WyoBullAnother suggestion. Why not just pick up a 243 Win and shoot the same size bullet you would with a 22-250 slow twist? I say that because I shoot a 220 Swift but wanted something that would sit between that rifle and my 7mm RUM, that I could easily use for varmints but also deer and antelope size game.

I bought a 243 Win and worked up a load for it using the Barnes 80 gr TTSX bullet. I am extremely happy with it and now have a very good crossover, multi-species calibered rifle.

Just something else for you to think about.

This is kind of my thought process as well. I'm running two .22-250's in 12 twist, shooting 50gr - 60 gr bullets. Running 70 and 75gr in my .243 at 3400ish. Not diminishing anyones thoughts on a fast twist .22-250, but at what point do you just step up to the next caliber thats already been here forever.Also, as WyoBull stated, nice crossover caliber if ever needed, as a lot states(down here) require minimum caliber for deer, such as .24 caliber.
 
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Originally Posted By: skinneyI've got 10 here, all have 8 twist barrels, and I believe I've posted a lot about them in the past, or should say got a lot of questions about them.

6 Have Hardy CF barrels @ 18" one has a Barlein M24 @ 18", two have a GW CF at 18" and another has a GW SS M24 @ 18"

Honestly it's nothing new to us as we've been running them for years now. Great shooters, and awesome coyote killers.

Wow I somehow completely forgot that's what you guys are running. That's just dangerous cause I was just watching your latest video post and thinking "wow those coyotes drop hard with very little fur flying" I may have to make this happen.
 
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Originally Posted By: WyoBullAnother suggestion. Why not just pick up a 243 Win and shoot the same size bullet you would with a 22-250 slow twist? I say that because I shoot a 220 Swift but wanted something that would sit between that rifle and my 7mm RUM, that I could easily use for varmints but also deer and antelope size game.

I bought a 243 Win and worked up a load for it using the Barnes 80 gr TTSX bullet. I am extremely happy with it and now have a very good crossover, multi-species calibered rifle.

Just something else for you to think about.


I know a lot of people like crossover firearms but I prefer specific rifles for specific species. Our deer are massive and although 243 would work I feel a whole lot safer with my 270.
As stated in my post I don't want a whole new caliber as I'm tooled up for 22-250 already and would rather not have to add all the components for another caliber to my already full reloading room.
 
Originally Posted By: YotarunnerI know a lot of people like crossover firearms but I prefer specific rifles for specific species. Our deer are massive and although 243 would work I feel a whole lot safer with my 270.
As stated in my post I don't want a whole new caliber as I'm tooled up for 22-250 already and would rather not have to add all the components for another caliber to my already full reloading room.

FWIW, I think you have a sound plan and the only thing I'd suggest is using a 9tw which will shoot up to the 75's but if you wanted to drop down and sling something like the 53gr Vmax or lighter the RPM generated by a 9tw wouldn't through you into bullet destruction.

I've spent some time in Alberta and you're correct, you have the biggest bodied deer I've ever seen in my life and they told me I hadn't really even seen any of the big ones. They looked like they were on freakin steroids or something the bodies were massive.
 
Originally Posted By: B23Originally Posted By: YotarunnerI know a lot of people like crossover firearms but I prefer specific rifles for specific species. Our deer are massive and although 243 would work I feel a whole lot safer with my 270.
As stated in my post I don't want a whole new caliber as I'm tooled up for 22-250 already and would rather not have to add all the components for another caliber to my already full reloading room.

FWIW, I think you have a sound plan and the only thing I'd suggest is using a 9tw which will shoot up to the 75's but if you wanted to drop down and sling something like the 53gr Vmax or lighter the RPM generated by a 9tw wouldn't through you into bullet destruction.

I've spent some time in Alberta and you're correct, you have the biggest bodied deer I've ever seen in my life and they told me I hadn't really even seen any of the big ones. They looked like they were on freakin steroids or something the bodies were massive.
Yup I already considered that but I have a 222 for 40gr bullets and a 220 swift for 40-55gr so the fast twist 22-250 will round out my 22 cal bullet variety quite well haha.
Yup our deer are pretty chunky so although a 243 works I still consider it a coyote only gun.
 
Originally Posted By: WyoBullAnother suggestion. Why not just pick up a 243 Win and shoot the same size bullet you would with a 22-250 slow twist? I say that because I shoot a 220 Swift but wanted something that would sit between that rifle and my 7mm RUM, that I could easily use for varmints but also deer and antelope size game.

I bought a 243 Win and worked up a load for it using the Barnes 80 gr TTSX bullet. I am extremely happy with it and now have a very good crossover, multi-species calibered rifle.

Just something else for you to think about.


A lot of wisdom in those words WyoBull. I started shooting and reloading my Dad's 220 Swift when I was 14. I am 73 now and own 3 Swifts, 4 243 Winchesters, and 3 7mm Remington Mags. Just can't sell them. I load a Lapua 90gr boattail for my 243's. It doesn't move much in the wind. Why try to make something into something that will never be. There are limits to what a rifle round can do. I still even load those Barnes 140gr blue bullets in my 7mm's. I just read a story about a 6mm ARC, fools and their money.
 
Originally Posted By: willy1947Originally Posted By: WyoBullAnother suggestion. Why not just pick up a 243 Win and shoot the same size bullet you would with a 22-250 slow twist? I say that because I shoot a 220 Swift but wanted something that would sit between that rifle and my 7mm RUM, that I could easily use for varmints but also deer and antelope size game.

I bought a 243 Win and worked up a load for it using the Barnes 80 gr TTSX bullet. I am extremely happy with it and now have a very good crossover, multi-species calibered rifle.

Just something else for you to think about.


A lot of wisdom in those words WyoBull. I started shooting and reloading my Dad's 220 Swift when I was 14. I am 73 now and own 3 Swifts, 4 243 Winchesters, and 3 7mm Remington Mags. Just can't sell them. I load a Lapua 90gr boattail for my 243's. It doesn't move much in the wind. Why try to make something into something that will never be. There are limits to what a rifle round can do. I still even load those Barnes 140gr blue bullets in my 7mm's. I just read a story about a 6mm ARC, fools and their money.


I guess il add for the guys wanting me to switch calibers despite me saying I want to stick with 22-250 for simplicity of already having reloading supplies.
I own 222,22-250,220swift and 6mm creedmoor with a takeoff 6br barrel. I am aware of the capabilities of 6mm and I do not want one for coyotes.
The 22-250 and 220swift both like the same bullet at the same speeds so I want to change the 22-250 so that it can make use of different heavier bullets in a custom platform for coyotes.
 
Yotarunner, I completely understand what you are saying given that you already have 22-250 brass, reloading components etc. I would also add that the 243 Win will shoot those 55 gr bullets 4000 fps and one could argue it could be equally as good, if not a better dedicated coyote caliber than the 22-250. A lot of people have shot the 243 Win as such for many, many years.

It is a new caliber for me in my arsenal as while I have been around them for years, I have never owned one until recently and wonder why I did not have one until now. It fills the gap between my 220 Swift and 7mm RUM very nicely and shooting that Barnes 80 gr TTSX bullet, I would not hesitate to take it on any hunt for deer size game and below.

Good luck with your build and let us know how you come out on it.
 
My daughter shoots a 22-250 8" twist 28" long unknown barrel manufacture due to purchased used. Using 80grain Sierra match kings, It will run 3200 with H4350/ We have been running it at 3100 with imr4350.. she gets several hits on steel all the way to 1000yds with that combo..
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