Has gunsamerica.com lost their mind?

Originally Posted By: CatskinnerThey are supporting the proposed internet sales tax. As they say to strengthen the 2nd amendment. That's about like saying ban guns so your collection is worth more. This is an absurd idea. More taxes is never good. Once they start taxing something it only goes up and up. Read it here

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/gunsamer...ndment-freedom/

It is purely idiotic - most of the stuff sold by on line Gun action houses is used and items like scopes, brass, and tons of odds and ends - how will taxing that stuff help the gun industry or the sellers and buyers. They are nutz.
 
Haven't you heard..... We can tax and spend our way to prosperity.

Tax a little = a Little prosperity


Tax a lot = GREAT prosperity


Tax everything = UTOPIA!!
 
Originally Posted By: biggen0_8Talk about "biting the hand that feeds you."

Some of their points seem to contradict

I can't wrap my head around it either. The online auction places have prospered partly because of the lack of taxation. Reading their 'article' looks like they're all "pro-Brick and Mortar" and that Brick and Mortar needs a level playing field. Level the playing field, and now why would somebody ever buy off one of the online gun auctions?

If the total cost to my hands is equal between online and a local store, I'm going to be shopping locally everytime. I currently will pay a little more to shop locally, just to avoid the hassle of mailing a money order, waiting for it to arrive, finding a copy of an FFL to mail, waiting for the guy to package and ship the item 3 days later, and on and on.

The problem is, locally, there is only so many Remington 710's, 870 Express', and Mossberg 500's a guy wants to look at on the shelf.
 
Not being one to buy a gun without laying hands on it ahead of time, please forgive my ignorance. Where does GunsAmerica have skin in the game anyway? They don't appear to me to sell anything other than advertising. Am I not right in thinking that nothing is actually purchased from GunsAmerica?
 
Guns America/gunbroker could support this since their cut is based on the selling price of an item. They could impletment the policy to take their cut after tax has been applied. Thus increasing their piece of the pie without increasing the advertised percentages. The added revenue would be small per transaction but in a fiscal year it would be huge.
 
Originally Posted By: Varmint MasterGuns America/gunbroker could support this since their cut is based on the selling price of an item. They could impletment the policy to take their cut after tax has been applied. Thus increasing their piece of the pie without increasing the advertised percentages. The added revenue would be small per transaction but in a fiscal year it would be huge.

Until the added tax to the sale price takes the incentive away from people for using their website. Promoting this tax is cutting off their nose to spite their face.

An example:

Local shop sells gun for $450+6% tax, $477 out the door.

Gunbroker auction for $400+6% tax, $424+$35 shipping and insurance=$459+$20 FFL transfer, $479 out the door.

So where's the incentive to buy it online and go through the hassle of dealing with somebody across the country? Even if the local shop was $500 out the door, I'd still buy local so I would have somebody to deal with if there were an issue.

I fully admit those are simplified examples using simple numbers on commonly available guns. Get into off the wall guns that Johnny's Local Gun Emporium would never carry, and sometimes you have to pay to play, no matter where you find it for sale.
 
Last year they were trying to push brick and mortar dealers to contact the firearm manufacturers, and tell them to adopt MAP pricing. They said that would level the playing field. That didn't happen so they are behind this tax [beeep]. They want every brick and mortar shop to have an online sales department too, is all I can figure. I don't think they thought it out real well. If you read the responses on their blog from "administrator" they have nothing to respond back that even supports their position. Over 99% of the people who reponded seem to disagree with their reasons why another tax is good. I wonder if they support an increase in their income tax to level the playing field for any other start-up online auction sites?
 
This little quip here tells me that they are not dealing in reality.

A level playing field for sales tax is a start, and it might help our state governments get out of bankruptcy, while bringing fairness in paying sales tax to all ages and classes of Americans. But it is time to level the whole playing field, and bring real jobs back to America for good.

They really think that by taking more money out of our pockets, our state governments will "finally" be able to learn how to spend responsibly? And that will bring jobs back to the U.S.

Get a clue GA.
 
It's simple political economics. Right now the govt doesn't have enough money, so they are spending more than they are making and that leads to debt. By increasing taxes the govt will have more money. Once the govt sees that it has more money than it did before, it will realize that it has been wasteful when it had less money. Once it realizes this it will begin cutting waste and become more efficient. All thanks to having more money than it did before.

To even propose that the govt will take the new income and throw it at even more wasteful spending is ridiculous. That's not the way govt works, at any level. The ONLY way to make the govt stop spending, is to give them more money. And the only way to give the govt more money is by making you have less money.

People work inversely to the govt. The less money that a person has, the more money they will be able to spend without going into debt. By increasing spending they will then stabilize and rejuvinate the economy making it so they have even more money. However they will then want to increase what they pay in taxes, because people will spend more money the less they have. Ultimately the only way that your average person can own everything he wants and no debt, is to have no money.


Glad I could clear this up.
 
Originally Posted By: NdIndyIt's simple political economics. Right now the govt doesn't have enough money, so they are spending more than they are making and that leads to debt. By increasing taxes the govt will have more money. Once the govt sees that it has more money than it did before, it will realize that it has been wasteful when it had less money. Once it realizes this it will begin cutting waste and become more efficient. All thanks to having more money than it did before.

To even propose that the govt will take the new income and throw it at even more wasteful spending is ridiculous. That's not the way govt works, at any level. The ONLY way to make the govt stop spending, is to give them more money. And the only way to give the govt more money is by making you have less money.

People work inversely to the govt. The less money that a person has, the more money they will be able to spend without going into debt. By increasing spending they will then stabilize and rejuvinate the economy making it so they have even more money. However they will then want to increase what they pay in taxes, because people will spend more money the less they have. Ultimately the only way that your average person can own everything he wants and no debt, is to have no money.


Glad I could clear this up.



You,sir would be the perfect elected official, you understand Washington thinking.(thats an oxymoron)
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I unsubscribed from the GA blog on account of this lunacy. Don't want to receive emails from crazy or stupid people. GA counts as both. I'll do all my gun buying on gunbroker.
 
To me the issue is simple, far too many politicians simply cannot resist the opportunity to apply a tax, particularly to something that hasn't been taxed in the past. Got to fund all those giveaway programs, you know. Buy off some more voters. Don
 
Actually, it is not a new tax. You are liable for your own state's sales tax no matter where you buy something. Anything you buy anywhere, you are supposed to pay your state's sales tax on as soon as the item gets to your state.

But, almost nobody does.
And the states only have manpower to go after the major retailers to collect on out of state sales. Therefore, the states are really pushing for a ferderal law to make all retailers collect tax on interstate sales.

Not a new tax, exactly, but a way to easier collect taxes owed already. Basically, make all retailers collect sales taxes for the states on out of state sales.

Jack
 
Originally Posted By: Jack RobertsActually, it is not a new tax. You are liable for your own state's sales tax no matter where you buy something. Anything you buy anywhere, you are supposed to pay your state's sales tax on as soon as the item gets to your state.

But, almost nobody does.
And the states only have manpower to go after the major retailers to collect on out of state sales. Therefore, the states are really pushing for a ferderal law to make all retailers collect tax on interstate sales.

Not a new tax, exactly, but a way to easier collect taxes owed already. Basically, make all retailers collect sales taxes for the states on out of state sales.

Jack

This^
The internet's basically a loop hole to avoid sales tax.
IMO, it puts the "Mom and Pop" gun shops that we all love to brag about supporting at an unfair disadvantage.

Not saying it's right or wrong. Just saying.
One thing's for sure though.
No matter how the gubment gets your money, they'll pizz it away on elaborate pensions, pork, and welfare.
 
Yeah let's just let each state deal with that. Next they will say to level the playing field the states without sales or income tax must implement one so they don't have an advantage over the state next door. It's not a right to be in business. If you offer great service you can charge more and you will have loyal repeat business. One guys level playing field is another guys unfair tax. If they want to level things how about cutting taxes, not adding more. It's absurd
 


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