Hey Hm1996

Sgt_Mike

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Clarence do ya think this will work for a start?

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pressure was good, didn't run the chronograph for this round of testing. Maybe at a later date, and yeah you guessed it correctly from the math 200 yards.
Now if only Hornady would sell the those bullets for 30 cents or less I'd use them on gophers .... yeahhh right didn't think so. 105gr Hornady ELD-M's
Now to set in and validate the load again for repeatability.
 
Aren’t they all supposed to be touching?
HuH ??? now why would ya want to shoot something in the same spot every time ?????? LMAO...
I had setup 3 rounds each starting at 42.8grs then +0.3grs each iteration until that load all at 0.011" off the lands with the ELD-M's. Still no pressure signs at 43.7grs (according to Hodgdon that is max).
Figured I'd shoot it at least twice more before playing with the seating. Just not sure on the Hornady just how much or little they like to jump. I guess I'll find out.
 
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Went yesterday to check and reverify the above load.
I had some at differing stating depths as well to check out but all the same charge and bullets. This time when I fired a three shot group of the previous load at the seating depth above to reverify, bolt lift became stiff, and ejector marks on brass. Yes I stopped right there and then. Didn't get in to the short COAL loads for testing.
Caused a bit of concern on my end.

The weather was warmer, but + or - 10 degrees shouldn't have caused this I would think off the top of my head. And it was about about 5 degrees warmer. (that doesn't rule that out but does not bring it to the forefront in my thought.) As 6.5 Staball is a ball powder, and ball is supposed to be temp sensitive, however the Winchester / Hodgdon claim is it isn't, supposed to be temp stable.

Tore down everything loaded, after checking samples. I did not see / observe any massive seating variation, or charge weight. I had not changed the container of powder I was using from, so couldn't have been a lot difference. Each charge was weighed so I don't think it was a case of powder bridging which honestly I was looking for.

So, I dropped the charge by 0.2gr, and seated the bullet 0.002" deeper. Which if it was either of those "should" return the load to a safer configuration and not be at Hodgdon's "book" max but slightly under.
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---ETA the above was wrote two days ago---
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The dropping the charge and seating change worked. When I went yesterday. Groups held close to original. Nothing dramatic . realistic repeatability no hard bolt lift.

Normally I clean the rifle (any) between every firing. This time I didn't, I went three sessions between firing approx. 80ish rounds each session (240 rounds estimated total between cleaning I'm thinking that is the low side) .
So today I decided to clean the bore out of the blue as the range was closed, it's raining etc etc. I noticed a carbon ring forming around the leade when I brushed through on the first pass. So some cleaning was in order. Bore brush and patched jag w/ J-B paste/kroil did work in short order breaking up and removing the carbon.
Giving it some thought as to why, I'm left with every one of those shots was with suppressor, after thinking about the back pressure. That was my thoughts although it could be the powder itself.

Maybe?

I've used the powder and never observed this before.
OK the solution, then is to just stick to the original method of cleaning after every session. Keep the reduced load and seating depth for the 105's .
Now to shift to the Speer 70's which I did do a pressure test on got the upper limit. On that load I was using Staball Match (close to W748 in the burn rate), and good bit faster than the 6.5 Staball.
Thinking about this and using AI via google which returned quite bit stating to abandon my normal staring at 0.010" to 0.020" off jam. So, I'll try the starting in the range of 0.200" into the neck as when I read through the supporting information behind the results from AI it made some sense.
Just a update. Worse thing that happens is it would be a waste of components.
 
I would expect fouling from ball powder, 200+ rds for sure. Suppressor adds to fouling, more so in gas guns. But I do see it in bolt guns. Great accuracy, you are on to something with that load.
 
Interesting, Mike. I've not had any experience w/carbon rings. Even when I was shooting moly bullets; wore out one new match barrel and some serious shooting with a couple of other barrels and no carbon rings (all 30-06, was there any doubt?:)). Used H450 and H 4895 exclusively. I did clean after every 50 or 80 rounds. When shooting regional match would only swab or brush bore 2-3 passes w/nylon brush soaked w/either Hoppes Benchrest or Shooters Choice after 600 yd. line. Always gave it a thorough cleaning job when back home after a three day shoot. Lots of other shooters were complaining of carbon rings w/moly bullets.
 
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