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arky65

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Need some sort of optics for an AR, I just can not focus with the peep sights anymore. This is for a shtf AR. I have never used either Holo's or Red dot optics and do not know any one with either, so that I could try before I buy so to speak.

My shooting background is accuracy related, 90% of my shootings now days is 100-300 yd target for accuracy, deer and varmints all off the same bench on my porch.

thanks in advance for your opinons

arky65
 
I prefer the red dot to the holo. Might check out the aimpoint pro. It's running 400 in most places. Darn good red dot for the money, tough and is suppose to have a 3 year life span on the battery. I've never shot over a 100 yards with the red dot i had, so im not sure how it would be beyond that. Might take a look at a good 1-4x scope.
 
I have shot with several dot sights, both the EoTech and the Burris Fast Fire 2. The EoTech is a holographic sight, rather than a conventioanal dot. I have found that the biggest issue for us out in AZ was the sunlight causing the sights to be too light to see. That is NOT the case with either the EoTech or the Burris. Both are very easy to see, even in direct sunlight, or in backlighting situations. Either would do you good, up close. I give the nod to the Burris up close as a backup sight, because it is so small and it is reasonably priced. But is your going to try to shoot out at longer ranges, and you want accuracy, your going to want to go with the EoTech, and put a multiplier behind it. It really would be the best of both worlds. Snap on the multiplier for longer shots, snap it off for up close, don't have to worry about re-zero, since you are using the sight, and just magnifying it's view. But be prepared to lay out a little more money for the pair. Worth it though if you are set on a holo sight.
 
One thing to watch is the size of the reticle, whether crosshair or dot..especially at longer distances...

I'm going from memory (?) but my EO-Tech has a 1 MoA (good out to about 150 yards), I have a BSA 42mm can on a .22 pistol that has a 4 MoA for speed shooting steel, or close targets, that would be totally unacceptable at much distance past 50 yards and then I have an older Haako that has an extremely small dot in one of the four available switchable reticles, the other three are a little larger so that the sight can be set for the immediate needs...My Optima 2000 has a 2 MoA dot and is a fairly nice compromise, especially on a .22lr rifle...
 
I think Snowman has the right idea for what you said you are wanting to do.I have the same set up he described after wasting some money on other stuff.For me it seems like the best all around system.I have not shot farther than 100 yards but it was ok for that.I had Bushnell first and like Eo-tech better,I really don't know what the difference is with the Eo-tech but for me it has worked much better.I have a flip to side mount on magnifier for close shooting. Can also just slide it off altogether if you want to.I think you will want a mount that you can do that also.
 
Guys thanks for great responses. My concerns is making the transition to this type optics. Most of my shooting has and still is with scopes up to 20X.

So I am thinking of getting one of the Mueller holos because I will not be out a lot of money and if I do not like it I can sell it get something else.
 
Originally Posted By: SnowmanMoI have shot with several dot sights, both the EoTech and the Burris Fast Fire 2. The EoTech is a holographic sight, rather than a conventioanal dot. I have found that the biggest issue for us out in AZ was the sunlight causing the sights to be too light to see. That is NOT the case with either the EoTech or the Burris. Both are very easy to see, even in direct sunlight, or in backlighting situations. Either would do you good, up close. I give the nod to the Burris up close as a backup sight, because it is so small and it is reasonably priced. But is your going to try to shoot out at longer ranges, and you want accuracy, your going to want to go with the EoTech, and put a multiplier behind it. It really would be the best of both worlds. Snap on the multiplier for longer shots, snap it off for up close, don't have to worry about re-zero, since you are using the sight, and just magnifying it's view. But be prepared to lay out a little more money for the pair. Worth it though if you are set on a holo sight.

+1 But you will need to shoot with both eyes open like a shotgun. That is why they make 1X sights, like the Burris, also.
 
im runing both right now. Its just depends on what im shooting and the distances im shooting. the problem ive had with red dots is out at 100 or so yards the dot is too big to do pin point shooting..
 
I had a Bushnell HoloSight on a Ruger Standard for drive-by PD shootin'.

In bright WY Sun the reticle washed out. Swapped out for an old Tasco ProPoint - much better.

Shooting partner was using a 6X Burris handgunscope on a 6" 617 - he was deadly..I could never get on moving PD's and steady enough with it to shoot..old eyes and side mirror rest but mostly old eyes.

Really liked both sights on handguns but red dot much better for me in bright Sun.
 
Originally Posted By: UnkI had a Bushnell HoloSight on a Ruger Standard for drive-by PD shootin'.

In bright WY Sun the reticle washed out. Swapped out for an old Tasco ProPoint - much better.


I have never had a problem with my Holosight and not being able to see it when it is bright outside.
 
Either one is good but when I was in the military I had a Aimpoint M2 and that thing was awesome. I got it zeroed and I dont think I have ever had so much fun shooting. I was hitting the 300 meter target with ease. Plus you dont have to shut one eye you can shoot with both eyes open for fast shots. The whole year I was in Iraq my battery never died. There was times I would accidently leave it on and that thing still didnt die. You can find an Aimpoint Comp 2 for cheap now days. They use to be around 400 but I have seen them as low as 250 now days
 
Is the Bushnell Holosight discontinued? I've been looking around the net and can't find them (other than a couple used on EBay). Would like to check one out.

Thanks
 
While I love my Vortex Strikefire red dot, it is practically useless at any longer ranges. Best I can do is hit a torso sized target at 100-150 yards, the 4MOA dot just covers up too much! Im sure a 1 MOA dot would help a lot, but If I were to do it again I would save up and buy a 1-4x or 1-6x Scope.
 
If you are a scope man, or have an astigmatism, you might want to stay with the scopes. Or you could do both, with a scope in normal position, and run a RDS at 45 degrees on a rail.
 
If you will be shooting to 300, go to a 3x9 or 4x12 scope. I tried the better dots, sold them and went to a scope. If you want precision. 1MOA dot at 300 is big! JMO
 



This past week I bought a Burris Fastfire III. It is very nice and water proof. I mounted it on my Ruger MarkII pistol. I bought it with the 3 MOA dot.

I have a Bushnell HoloSight on my Mossberg 590A1. Look good and does the job.
 
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